2017 Off-Season Around the NHL

No way is Brassard better than Turris. Nope.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Florida aside, who knows what it will cost to keep Turris, Stone and Karlsson. I guess I am surprised the Sens are not trying to load up for this year and next year while those guys are still on our roster under good contracts. I am against mortgaging our future for a run but am surprised that Ottawa is adding 'depth' pieces over a significant piece, and addressing our depth by letting some of our younger players push for a roster spot.

So who are these players we should be getting without mortgaging the future?

Yeah the summer is still young. But I'm in between both camps. I'm not sure we are in a great position to complete. I think Toronto got much better, buffalo is better but not above us, Florida lost some pieces and look like a team looking to make the playoffs by the skin of their teeth, the jury is out on Montréal but as it stands it will be tough for them to beat us. Tampa looks to be better and likely make the playoffs. I think we could be anywhere in the standings between 1 and 8 with how we look today. Depending on how current players perform

Yeah turris is much better than brass and he'll for sure get more than 6. Maybe 6 on a looooooong term deal. I vote to keep turris, he'll make an excellent 2nd line center as he gets older. I just hope by then we have our first line center sussed out.

tim1_2 wrote:No way is Brassard better than Turris.  Nope.

Cool that's your opinion. They're pretty similar but brassard is better offensively and has more compete imo. I'd take brassard.

Flo The Action wrote:Yeah turris is much better than brass and he'll for sure get more than 6. Maybe 6 on a looooooong term deal. I vote to keep turris, he'll make an excellent 2nd line center as he gets older. I just hope by then we have our first line center sussed out.

hes abolsutely not much better even if you think he is better

Flo The Action wrote:Yeah the summer is still young. But I'm in between both camps. I'm not sure we are in a great position to complete. I think Toronto got much better, buffalo is better but not above us, Florida lost some pieces and look like a team looking to make the playoffs by the skin of their teeth, the jury is out on Montréal but as it stands it will be tough for them to beat us. Tampa looks to be better and likely make the playoffs. I think we could be anywhere in the standings between 1 and 8 with how we look today. Depending on how current players perform

That last line essentially applies to any team. pittsburgh is in rough shape should murray and crosby get hurt. montreal has no puck moving d men, buffalo has streaky goal tending and a lot hopeful pieces. toronto could do better but i wouldnt bet that they dont go through any sophomore slump. Florida is hoping to be better with less injuries. Tampa is thinking kunitz is a good player not just a crosby feeder and giradi those were not good signings. we have a good chance like ev says of being 1 or 2 in the division

It basically all depends on:

a) How much will Chabot play and how effective will he be

b)Who exactly takes helps out when the top 6 wingers either go cold or get injured?  

The point for me wasn't just to get a top six player - or a top line player (good luck), it was to be able to roll 4 really strong lines where hopefully someone (other than Pageau) on the third line is a real threat during the game and especially when injuries strike.

You hope White or Burrows or Smith is that guy, but if we truly intended to go for it, it would be another proven 20 goal guy.  I wish we could have got Johansson out of Washington, he would have been perfect.

Jussi Jokinen would be nice too.  Always have liked him.  Offer him a 1 year, 1.75 contract and if he signs, you're deeper, if he doesn't so be it, if he sucks he won't drag you down.

Or Jagr.

Jagr and Jokinen I'd extend offers to.

Markov I'd offer 2 years 13 million tonight. A lot of money, but I want him here.

PTFlea wrote:Or Jagr.  

Jagr and Jokinen I'd extend offers to.  

Markov I'd offer 2 years 13 million tonight.  A lot of money, but I want him here.

I don't get why you still like Jokinen. I don't see how he can have an impact. If anything he'd be a repeat of whatever we have on the third line. Jagr it can be argued could still be top 6 and it can be argued that even on the third line he could create his own space and generate his own offense. Heck he might even Pageau be more productive.
Im with you with Markov although I don't see why he deserves more than 4 mill a year. Dudes gonna be 39!

Markov can get more than that from Montreal. You overpay him to destroy the Habs, simple as that.  

Who was it that said Florida would be good? What have they done other than lose Jagr? Whatever injuries they had, he wasn't one of them.  I doubt they make the playoffs.

I agree with Markov. Would be a good slap in the face for Montreal. But at that price I'd pass. Much rather spend $6.5M per year on something else. Maybe a one year deal at that amount but not 2 years...

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Or Jagr.  

Jagr and Jokinen I'd extend offers to.  

Markov I'd offer 2 years 13 million tonight.  A lot of money, but I want him here.

I don't get why you still like Jokinen. I don't see how he can have an impact. If anything he'd be a repeat of whatever we have on the third line. Jagr it can be argued could still be top 6 and it can be argued that even on the third line he could create his own space and generate his own offense. Heck he might even Pageau be more productive.
Im with you with Markov although I don't see why he deserves more than 4 mill a year. Dudes gonna be 39!

Still a major presence 5 on 5 and someone who could really rejuvenate our PP. Plus, what better mentor for Chabot than him and Karlsson? He's everything we want and need.

As for jokinen, he's a year removed from 60 points and last year was a trainwreck in florida. He's shifty, responsible and could be had cheap.

I'd bet good money on him being a 50 point player on Ottawa if we signed him.

PTFlea wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Or Jagr.  

Jagr and Jokinen I'd extend offers to.  

Markov I'd offer 2 years 13 million tonight.  A lot of money, but I want him here.

I don't get why you still like Jokinen. I don't see how he can have an impact. If anything he'd be a repeat of whatever we have on the third line. Jagr it can be argued could still be top 6 and it can be argued that even on the third line he could create his own space and generate his own offense. Heck he might even Pageau be more productive.
Im with you with Markov although I don't see why he deserves more than 4 mill a year. Dudes gonna be 39!

Still a major presence 5 on 5 and someone who could really rejuvenate our PP.  Plus, what better mentor for Chabot than him and Karlsson?   He's everything we want and need.

As for jokinen, he's a year removed from 60 points and last year was a trainwreck in florida.  He's shifty, responsible and could be had cheap.

I'd bet good money on him being a 50 point player on Ottawa if we signed him.

I guess it's a possibility. Maybe if the sens don't wind up resigning Stralberg they'll go after him

We won't sign Markov, but I must say I was surprised by some of his stats from last year. Even a bunch of the advanced metrics look pretty good. Seems like a guy that would be good on a one or two year deal.

It's funny, the Habs have no problems with Russian Reclamation Projects (RRP tm) but having problems resigning their own Russians.

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Or Jagr.  

Jagr and Jokinen I'd extend offers to.  

Markov I'd offer 2 years 13 million tonight.  A lot of money, but I want him here.

I don't get why you still like Jokinen. I don't see how he can have an impact. If anything he'd be a repeat of whatever we have on the third line. Jagr it can be argued could still be top 6 and it can be argued that even on the third line he could create his own space and generate his own offense. Heck he might even Pageau be more productive.
Im with you with Markov although I don't see why he deserves more than 4 mill a year. Dudes gonna be 39!

Still a major presence 5 on 5 and someone who could really rejuvenate our PP.  Plus, what better mentor for Chabot than him and Karlsson?   He's everything we want and need.

As for jokinen, he's a year removed from 60 points and last year was a trainwreck in florida.  He's shifty, responsible and could be had cheap.

I'd bet good money on him being a 50 point player on Ottawa if we signed him.

I guess it's a possibility. Maybe if the sens don't wind up resigning Stralberg they'll go after him

They'd be stupid to re-sign Stalberg. They already have 12 forwards on one-way contracts, and probably don't want to burn another year on White's ELC. IMO, let some of the kids play. For those worried about 'insulating' younger players, they need a chance to play. Paul, White, and McCormick are most likely ready. If anything McCormick can play on a 4th line. My guess is Paul makes the team out of camp with White being a quarter-season call up. So signing Stalberg to a 2+ year deal makes zero sense, especially with McCormick on a one-way contract the following year.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Or Jagr.  

Jagr and Jokinen I'd extend offers to.  

Markov I'd offer 2 years 13 million tonight.  A lot of money, but I want him here.

I don't get why you still like Jokinen. I don't see how he can have an impact. If anything he'd be a repeat of whatever we have on the third line. Jagr it can be argued could still be top 6 and it can be argued that even on the third line he could create his own space and generate his own offense. Heck he might even Pageau be more productive.
Im with you with Markov although I don't see why he deserves more than 4 mill a year. Dudes gonna be 39!

Still a major presence 5 on 5 and someone who could really rejuvenate our PP.  Plus, what better mentor for Chabot than him and Karlsson?   He's everything we want and need.

As for jokinen, he's a year removed from 60 points and last year was a trainwreck in florida.  He's shifty, responsible and could be had cheap.

I'd bet good money on him being a 50 point player on Ottawa if we signed him.

I guess it's a possibility. Maybe if the sens don't wind up resigning Stralberg they'll go after him

They'd be stupid to re-sign Stalberg. They already have 12 forwards on one-way contracts, and probably don't want to burn another year on White's ELC. IMO, let some of the kids play. For those worried about 'insulating' younger players, they need a chance to play. Paul, White, and McCormick are most likely ready. If anything McCormick can play on a 4th line. My guess is Paul makes the team out of camp with White being a quarter-season call up. So signing Stalberg to a 2+ year deal makes zero sense, especially with McCormick on a one-way contract the following year.

White's year is burned regardless of where he plays.

Stalberg would still be a good add, even if it was just a PTO. It lets players compete for spots. Stalberg is definitely miles better than McCormick, for one.