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PTFlea wrote:Wow, part of me expected them to sign Bart regardless.   Good stuff

I was afraid of that myself. Nice to see we didn't succumb to the temptation. That said we could have used getting another stabilizing vet on the back end, maybe that's on another PTO. That said I don't see them making that move.

If I was a betting man (and I am) I'd say Chabot gets sent back before he plays more than 9 games and we will keep claesson in Ottawa

So, I caught the game in Saskatoon. It was pretty sweet. We were sitting in the second row, right behind the glass by the Leafs net (1 and 3 periods). 

I was really impressed with Dzingle and, surprisingly, Pyatt. They rolled 7 D as well. Boro didn't get a lot of time out there.

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Wow, part of me expected them to sign Bart regardless.   Good stuff

I was afraid of that myself. Nice to see we didn't succumb to the temptation. That said we could have used getting another stabilizing vet on the back end, maybe that's on another PTO. That said I don't see them making that move.

If I was a betting man (and I am) I'd say Chabot gets sent back before he plays more than 9 games and we will keep claesson in Ottawa

I think they send him back early as well. Ultimately though they want to figure out if 12 minutes a game in the nhl is better than 20+ minutes as the guy in the juniors, while not burning off a year of elc.

A part of me wants to see him on our PP to bolster it on the 2nd unit though. Or with Karlsson. ..

spader wrote:So, I caught the game in Saskatoon. It was pretty sweet. We were sitting in the second row, right behind the glass by the Leafs net (1 and 3 periods). 

I was really impressed with Dzingle and, surprisingly, Pyatt. They rolled 7 D as well. Boro didn't get a lot of time out there.

Sweet! I know how cool it is to see the sens when you feel removed from it all. Those were some good seats! Glad you enjoyed it!

PTFlea wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:Wow, part of me expected them to sign Bart regardless.   Good stuff

I was afraid of that myself. Nice to see we didn't succumb to the temptation. That said we could have used getting another stabilizing vet on the back end, maybe that's on another PTO. That said I don't see them making that move.

If I was a betting man (and I am) I'd say Chabot gets sent back before he plays more than 9 games and we will keep claesson in Ottawa

I think they send him back early as well.  Ultimately though they want to figure out if 12 minutes a game in the  nhl is  better than 20+ minutes as the guy in the juniors, while not burning off a year of elc.

A part of me wants to see him on our PP to bolster it on the 2nd unit though.   Or with Karlsson. ..

It might be tempting to have him stick but I think more harm than good can come of keeping him out of the NHL one more season. You hardly hear of negatives about slow maturation.

spader wrote:So, I caught the game in Saskatoon. It was pretty sweet. We were sitting in the second row, right behind the glass by the Leafs net (1 and 3 periods). 

I was really impressed with Dzingle and, surprisingly, Pyatt. They rolled 7 D as well. Boro didn't get a lot of time out there.

No need for him back there, really. You've got Karlsson for the first 40 seconds of the PP and the last 20, with 4 forwards. Then for the middle 40 you roll your second pairing of Phaneuf-Ceci. Phaneuf with the cannon from the point and Ceci as the puck mover/distributor.

It will be very interesting if Saint John is out early, though. They may want to be careful to not burn off too many games early on, so as to leave him some games at the end of the season. So maybe give him 4 game at the start, then send him to junior, and bring him back up for the playoff drive. Do the Sea Dogs have a team that's likely to go deep?

15 forwards- Stone, Hoffman, Brassard, Turris, Ryan, Smith, Pageau, Pyatt, Kelly, Neil, Dzingel, Varone, Puempel, Lazar, MacArthur. #Sens

— SensChirp (@SensChirp) October 6, 2016

So 14 forwards, assuming MacArthur is on the IR. Do we go with 7D/14F, and everyone left stays, or 8D/13F, which means one forward is sent down?

If you look at it a different way -- is it easier to pick a forward to send down or a defenseman? Dzingle/Varone have earned an extended look; Lazar is not going to be sent down *now* when he wasn't the last two years; Puempel requires waivers. Plus Lazar has not done much in camp yet and, as far as I know, has not been cleared yet. We may need to keep everyone just to have 13 forwards; but unless they place him on the IR that won't open up another roster spot.

Personally, I'd just send Chabot to junior and keep Claesson to alternate with Boro on the third pairing.

wprager wrote:

spader wrote:So, I caught the game in Saskatoon. It was pretty sweet. We were sitting in the second row, right behind the glass by the Leafs net (1 and 3 periods). 

I was really impressed with Dzingle and, surprisingly, Pyatt. They rolled 7 D as well. Boro didn't get a lot of time out there.

No need for him back there, really.  You've got Karlsson for the first 40 seconds of the PP and the last 20, with 4 forwards.  Then for the middle 40 you roll your second pairing of Phaneuf-Ceci.  Phaneuf with the cannon from the point and Ceci as the puck mover/distributor.

It will be very interesting if Saint John is out early, though.  They may want to be careful to not burn off too many games early on, so as to leave him some games at the end of the season.  So maybe give him 4 game at the start, then send him to junior, and bring him back up for the playoff drive.  Do the Sea Dogs have a team that's likely to go deep?

They do, they should at least challenge for the Cup apparently.

wprager wrote:

15 forwards- Stone, Hoffman, Brassard, Turris, Ryan, Smith, Pageau, Pyatt, Kelly, Neil, Dzingel, Varone, Puempel, Lazar, MacArthur. #Sens

— SensChirp (@SensChirp) October 6, 2016

So 14 forwards, assuming MacArthur is on the IR.  Do we go with 7D/14F, and everyone left stays, or 8D/13F, which means one forward is sent down?  

If you look at it a different way -- is it easier to pick a forward to send down or a defenseman?  Dzingle/Varone have earned an extended look; Lazar is not going to be sent down *now* when he wasn't the last two years; Puempel requires waivers.  Plus Lazar has not done much in camp yet and, as far as I know, has not been cleared yet.  We may need to keep everyone just to have 13 forwards; but unless they place him on the IR that won't open up another roster spot.

Personally, I'd just send Chabot to junior and keep Claesson to alternate with Boro on the third pairing.  

Is Boucher keeping 13 forwards, or 12 forwards, 8 D and 2 goalies. He said he wants to roll 11 forwards every night, so I assume that means 12, 8 and 2.

So Mac and Lazar on the IR =

Hoff - Turris - Stone
Smith/Dzingel - Brassard - Ryan
Smith/Dzingel - Pageau - Varone
Pyatt - Kelly - Neil
Puempel

Meth - Karlsson
Phaneuf - Ceci
Chabot - Wideman
Claesson - Boro

meh, looks pretty good. The only questions are: do the Sens have the stones to keep Varone in the NHL and give him a shot after how good he's looked? Or will it be like a 2 game audition.

And then there's the whole Chabot thing.

Everything else has ironed itself out fairly well. No idea who goes down if/when Mac comes back. Puempel would be the likeliest, but again, Varone is the easy man out. Dzingel is waiver exempt too, I think.

that third line doesn't look great. Neither Dzingel nor Varone have proven anything other than they deserve a chance to prove themselves. The bottom D pairing is pretty wet behind the ears as well. I would think that Boro would start the year as the 5/6 considering the team's struggles in their own end last season.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:that third line doesn't look great.  Neither Dzingel nor Varone have proven anything other than they deserve a chance to prove themselves.  The bottom D pairing is pretty wet behind the ears as well.  I would think that Boro would start the year as the 5/6 considering the team's struggles in their own end last season.

I haven't been comfortable with the third line since Alex Chiasson was around. I don't know what they're gonna do...Pageau and Smith were excellent together, but that means you put Dzingel on line 2 - which is a stretch right now. Puempel on line 2? Maybe, but not optimum.

I guess, if I was to look at what might be the most successful (and if my opinion mattered a hill of beans), I'd probably put Puempel with Brassard and Ryan and Smith with Pageau and Dzingel.

Nothing about that is optimum though really. Puempel may or may not be ready to play in a top 9, Dzingel is a solid player, but on his off wing? And that pushes Varone right out of the lineup, I'd guess.

PTFlea wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:that third line doesn't look great.  Neither Dzingel nor Varone have proven anything other than they deserve a chance to prove themselves.  The bottom D pairing is pretty wet behind the ears as well.  I would think that Boro would start the year as the 5/6 considering the team's struggles in their own end last season.

I haven't been comfortable with the third line since Alex Chiasson was around.  I don't know what they're gonna do...Pageau and Smith were excellent together, but that means you put Dzingel on line 2 - which is a stretch right now.  Puempel on line 2?  Maybe, but not optimum.  

I guess, if I was to look at what might be the most successful (and if my opinion mattered a hill of beans), I'd probably put Puempel with Brassard and Ryan and Smith with Pageau and Dzingel.

Nothing about that is optimum though really.  Puempel may or may not be ready to play in a top 9, Dzingel is a solid player, but on his off wing?  And that pushes Varone right out of the lineup, I'd guess.

I think they'll evaluate as they come out of the gate. If the team is successful maybe that means some kids have earned a spot, if they aren't and it doesn't look like mac will be back anytime soon then trade?

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:that third line doesn't look great.  Neither Dzingel nor Varone have proven anything other than they deserve a chance to prove themselves.  The bottom D pairing is pretty wet behind the ears as well.  I would think that Boro would start the year as the 5/6 considering the team's struggles in their own end last season.

I haven't been comfortable with the third line since Alex Chiasson was around.  I don't know what they're gonna do...Pageau and Smith were excellent together, but that means you put Dzingel on line 2 - which is a stretch right now.  Puempel on line 2?  Maybe, but not optimum.  

I guess, if I was to look at what might be the most successful (and if my opinion mattered a hill of beans), I'd probably put Puempel with Brassard and Ryan and Smith with Pageau and Dzingel.

Nothing about that is optimum though really.  Puempel may or may not be ready to play in a top 9, Dzingel is a solid player, but on his off wing?  And that pushes Varone right out of the lineup, I'd guess.

I think they'll evaluate as they come out of the gate. If the team is successful maybe that means some kids have earned a spot, if they aren't and it doesn't look like mac will be back anytime soon then trade?

Someone with too much time on their hands should see how many trades for a top 6 forward have been made in the month of November historically. I bet there are very few.

PTFlea wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:that third line doesn't look great.  Neither Dzingel nor Varone have proven anything other than they deserve a chance to prove themselves.  The bottom D pairing is pretty wet behind the ears as well.  I would think that Boro would start the year as the 5/6 considering the team's struggles in their own end last season.

I haven't been comfortable with the third line since Alex Chiasson was around.  I don't know what they're gonna do...Pageau and Smith were excellent together, but that means you put Dzingel on line 2 - which is a stretch right now.  Puempel on line 2?  Maybe, but not optimum.  

I guess, if I was to look at what might be the most successful (and if my opinion mattered a hill of beans), I'd probably put Puempel with Brassard and Ryan and Smith with Pageau and Dzingel.

Nothing about that is optimum though really.  Puempel may or may not be ready to play in a top 9, Dzingel is a solid player, but on his off wing?  And that pushes Varone right out of the lineup, I'd guess.

I think they'll evaluate as they come out of the gate. If the team is successful maybe that means some kids have earned a spot, if they aren't and it doesn't look like mac will be back anytime soon then trade?

Someone with too much time on their hands should see how many trades for a top 6 forward have been made in the month of November historically.  I bet there are very few.

Prags?


I'm hella procrastinating right now. Gotta get back to the books!

Pouliot for Latendresse in 2009

2010 none, although some D-men were swapped

2011 none, although Hagman was claimed off waivers and Letestu was acquired for a 4th

2012 must have been the shortened season

2013 none

2014 Derek Roy was traded to Nashville (I think), but he was about done

2015 none

Not gonna be easy. Teams are still hoping their roster will shake out

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:that third line doesn't look great.  Neither Dzingel nor Varone have proven anything other than they deserve a chance to prove themselves.  The bottom D pairing is pretty wet behind the ears as well.  I would think that Boro would start the year as the 5/6 considering the team's struggles in their own end last season.

I haven't been comfortable with the third line since Alex Chiasson was around.  I don't know what they're gonna do...Pageau and Smith were excellent together, but that means you put Dzingel on line 2 - which is a stretch right now.  Puempel on line 2?  Maybe, but not optimum.  

I guess, if I was to look at what might be the most successful (and if my opinion mattered a hill of beans), I'd probably put Puempel with Brassard and Ryan and Smith with Pageau and Dzingel.

Nothing about that is optimum though really.  Puempel may or may not be ready to play in a top 9, Dzingel is a solid player, but on his off wing?  And that pushes Varone right out of the lineup, I'd guess.

I think they'll evaluate as they come out of the gate. If the team is successful maybe that means some kids have earned a spot, if they aren't and it doesn't look like mac will be back anytime soon then trade?

Someone with too much time on their hands should see how many trades for a top 6 forward have been made in the month of November historically.  I bet there are very few.

Prags?  


I'm hella procrastinating right now. Gotta get back to the books!

i realized how easy it was and did it lol, but yeah, prags came to mind

Forgive me for asking, but what part of Dzingel, Lazar, Pyatt, Paul, Neil, Kelly etc. did Dorion see as a fit for the third line. Dzingel perhaps, but otherwise you're stretching.

Come on Dorion, everyone and their cat knew we needed an NHLer for the third line. And now...matters are worse (with Mac).

PTFlea wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

PTFlea wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:that third line doesn't look great.  Neither Dzingel nor Varone have proven anything other than they deserve a chance to prove themselves.  The bottom D pairing is pretty wet behind the ears as well.  I would think that Boro would start the year as the 5/6 considering the team's struggles in their own end last season.

I haven't been comfortable with the third line since Alex Chiasson was around.  I don't know what they're gonna do...Pageau and Smith were excellent together, but that means you put Dzingel on line 2 - which is a stretch right now.  Puempel on line 2?  Maybe, but not optimum.  

I guess, if I was to look at what might be the most successful (and if my opinion mattered a hill of beans), I'd probably put Puempel with Brassard and Ryan and Smith with Pageau and Dzingel.

Nothing about that is optimum though really.  Puempel may or may not be ready to play in a top 9, Dzingel is a solid player, but on his off wing?  And that pushes Varone right out of the lineup, I'd guess.

I think they'll evaluate as they come out of the gate. If the team is successful maybe that means some kids have earned a spot, if they aren't and it doesn't look like mac will be back anytime soon then trade?

Someone with too much time on their hands should see how many trades for a top 6 forward have been made in the month of November historically.  I bet there are very few.

Prags?  


I'm hella procrastinating right now. Gotta get back to the books!

i realized how easy it was and did it lol, but yeah, prags came to mind

May I ask you how you went about doing that?