Deadline moves.

tim1_2 wrote:

spader wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:GWG is a useless stat.

I disagree. It measures the clutch factor. I think one problem people have with stats is that they want stats to do too much. I think the GWG stat is useful because it can show who's a "big game" type of player.

Sorry, you're wrong.  A player can score a goal in the first period to make a game 1-0 (or 2-1 or 3-2 or 5-1 or 4-0 or whatever) and have it end up being the GWG.  You could also pot an empty netter and then have that be the GWG too...It has nothing to do with being clutch or a "big game" player.

I'd agree to a point. I don't think it's a cut-and-dried "he has a bunch of GWG and is therefore a clutch player" kind of thing. I do, however, think that a player who has a lot of GWG is likely to be more of a clutch player. Sure, some of those GWG will come from early game scores, but stats help show trends, they don't define. If you tend to score more goals when your team is tied with the other, that might mean that you're a clutch player.

tim1_2 wrote:

spader wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:GWG is a useless stat.

I disagree. It measures the clutch factor. I think one problem people have with stats is that they want stats to do too much. I think the GWG stat is useful because it can show who's a "big game" type of player.

Sorry, you're wrong.  A player can score a goal in the first period to make a game 1-0 (or 2-1 or 3-2 or 5-1 or 4-0 or whatever) and have it end up being the GWG.  You could also pot an empty netter and then have that be the GWG too...It has nothing to do with being clutch or a "big game" player.

What about an OT goal in a winner-take-all gold-medal game?  Is that clutch?

tim1_2 wrote:GWG is a useless stat.

It's a measure of clutchiness

wprager wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

spader wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:GWG is a useless stat.

I disagree. It measures the clutch factor. I think one problem people have with stats is that they want stats to do too much. I think the GWG stat is useful because it can show who's a "big game" type of player.

Sorry, you're wrong.  A player can score a goal in the first period to make a game 1-0 (or 2-1 or 3-2 or 5-1 or 4-0 or whatever) and have it end up being the GWG.  You could also pot an empty netter and then have that be the GWG too...It has nothing to do with being clutch or a "big game" player.

What about an OT goal in a winner-take-all gold-medal game?  Is that clutch?

Totally depends on the goal. ZBads was pretty clutch, whereas Crysby's was a total fluke. Much like sv %, it's a stat that you actually need to watch to comprehend.

Thank you for answering my rhetorical question. I comprehend, now.

Does anyone think a Schultz for Wiercioch move might be in the cards? Maybe a Schultz, Yakupov for Lazar, Wiercioh with EDM retaining some salary?

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Does anyone think a Schultz for Wiercioch move might be in the cards? Maybe a Schultz, Yakupov for Lazar, Wiercioh with EDM retaining some salary?

Ottawa wouldn't trade Lazar for Yakupov

Ev wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Does anyone think a Schultz for Wiercioch move might be in the cards? Maybe a Schultz, Yakupov for Lazar, Wiercioh with EDM retaining some salary?

Ottawa wouldn't trade Lazar for Yakupov

I think Ev's actually right.

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Does anyone think a Schultz for Wiercioch move might be in the cards? Maybe a Schultz, Yakupov for Lazar, Wiercioh with EDM retaining some salary?

Ottawa wouldn't trade Lazar for Yakupov

I think Ev's actually right.

But imagine having Karlsson, Ceci, Shchultz on the right. Can play Boro on the left of 3rd pairing (or Wideman). Our D would be amazing.

And yeah, I don't think they would but I'd imagine EDM would want Lazar if a move were to be made for a forward.

You realize that everyone who has seen Schultz play lately has said he looks terrible? I'd rather have Wideman at $800K.

tim1_2 wrote:You realize that everyone who has seen Schultz play lately has said he looks terrible?  I'd rather have Wideman at $800K.  

And Pierre will remind you that he said that back when everyone was drooling over him.

What's the latest Sens-related trade scuttlebutt?

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Does anyone think a Schultz for Wiercioch move might be in the cards? Maybe a Schultz, Yakupov for Lazar, Wiercioh with EDM retaining some salary?

Considering that neither Schultz or Wiercioch are likely to be qualified if they aren't dealt, it would be Lazar for Yak. I doubt either team would do that.

SeawaySensFan wrote:What's the latest Sens-related trade scuttlebutt?

We will be busy at the draft. Book it !!!!!!

Yeah... As much as there was a bus about Schultz the field is pretty dead for him now. It did not pan out for him and he will likely not be qualified and have to sign for a one year 1mill or less deal next season(hello leafs?) I'd rather have wideman play the third pairing.

It's also debatable wether yak will ever be good. He should of figured it out by now. I have more faith that lazar will figure out how to be a top 6 than yak...

Speaking of figuring it out, Chiasson has been playing really well the last little while. His skating is much better than at the start of the season, he is asserting himself more -- both with and without the puck, and he is having a bit of success as well. Just like Smitty, he seems to have gotten his groove back.

So, do you hang on to him? Move him (who knows, there may be a taker -- you you can't teach size)? Or status quo and he goes quietly into the night?

Chiasson is a mysterious case. I can't imagine the return for him would be significant (3rd rounder at best). I'd rather just hang on to him for the stretch drive...if he keeps producing, then maybe a really cheap extension would be the result.

Flo The Action wrote:Yeah... As much as there was a bus about Schultz the field is pretty dead for him now. It did not pan out for him and he will likely not be qualified and have to sign for a one year 1mill or less deal next season(hello leafs?) I'd rather have wideman play the third pairing.

It's also debatable wether yak will ever be good. He should of figured it out by now. I have more faith that lazar will figure out how to be a top 6 than yak...

If I'm a bottom feeder like Toronto, Buffalo, etc, I would take a flier on Schultz assuming a low price. His play probably won't move the team much in the standings and you get an extended audition. It's not like playing D in Edmonton is easy.