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Flo The Action


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Also there has been significant chatter around the organization that sens are willing to spend right now to make this team into a contender. If you think they will stand pat this season and stick with what we've got then you better think again. Either they will trade for a bigger ticket than they already have or they will be giving some significant money to a FA.

No way do we go into next season with the roster we have. No way. I just hope it's not Stewart.

As it stands right now I would let condra walk and lazar start in the minor. If Chiasson is still here then I have no problem with him starting on that 3rd line. And since everyone is penciling Neil to stay that's your 4rth line RW.
In the left you have a mix of mac, Hoffman and that is where you slide Williams IMO. Then it's pumpel or prince as injuries happen With michalek to start.

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Flo The Action wrote:Also there has been significant chatter around the organization that sens are willing to spend right now to make this team into a contender. If you think they will stand pat this season and stick with what we've got then you better think again. Either they will trade for a bigger ticket than they already have or they will be giving some significant money to a FA.

No way do we go into next season with the roster we have. No way. I just hope it's not Stewart.

As it stands right now I would let condra walk and lazar start in the minor. If Chiasson is still here then I have no problem with him starting on that 3rd line. And since everyone is penciling Neil to stay that's your 4rth line RW.
In the left you have a mix of mac, Hoffman and that is where you slide Williams IMO. Then it's pumpel or prince as injuries happen With michalek to start.
Where are you hearing the chatter. I haven't heard anything since November and at that point I was told 60M (ish) this season, 65M (ish) next season and full on whatever it takes in following seasons. Melnyk has ALWAYS been open to bringing in rentals at the deadline no matter the salary.

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Flo The Action wrote:I don't know skinner has come close once after his first concussion to the30 goal. My guess is that Pittsburg is trying to scoop him to play with Crosby. That could be very dangerous.

I don't think Williams isn't a possibility and that will factor in very much on if Pitts goes after skinner or not.
If Murray can't find a good trade for a top 6 guy he may be tempted by Williams. And then you might see a few guys moved for picks.
I really don't know how the org feels about Chiasson right now. They've been tight lipped about him.

Kessel with Crosby would be ridiculous. He should be their target and a blockbuster could significantly help both franchises. Would you make this trade?

To Toronto: Malkin, Kunitz, Bennett
To Pittsburgh: Kessel, Rielly, Kadri, 1st rd pick 2016

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:I don't know skinner has come close once after his first concussion to the30 goal. My guess is that Pittsburg is trying to scoop him to play with Crosby. That could be very dangerous.

I don't think Williams isn't a possibility and that will factor in very much on if Pitts goes after skinner or not.
If Murray can't find a good trade for a top 6 guy he may be tempted by Williams. And then you might see a few guys moved for picks.
I really don't know how the org feels about Chiasson right now. They've been tight lipped about him.

Kessel with Crosby would be ridiculous. He should be their target and a blockbuster could significantly help both franchises. Would you make this trade?

To Toronto: Malkin, Kunitz, Bennett
To Pittsburgh: Kessel, Rielly, Kadri, 1st rd pick 2016
TO is getting ripped off.

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Oglethorpe wrote:
DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:I don't know skinner has come close once after his first concussion to the30 goal. My guess is that Pittsburg is trying to scoop him to play with Crosby. That could be very dangerous.

I don't think Williams isn't a possibility and that will factor in very much on if Pitts goes after skinner or not.
If Murray can't find a good trade for a top 6 guy he may be tempted by Williams. And then you might see a few guys moved for picks.
I really don't know how the org feels about Chiasson right now. They've been tight lipped about him.

Kessel with Crosby would be ridiculous. He should be their target and a blockbuster could significantly help both franchises. Would you make this trade?

To Toronto: Malkin, Kunitz, Bennett
To Pittsburgh: Kessel, Rielly, Kadri, 1st rd pick 2016
TO is getting ripped off.

Fine. Maybe alter the trade a bit. Fact is Toronto could get Malkin, Pitt could get Kessell and money could be eaten. Maybe substitute the first round picks.

To Toronto: Malkin, Kunitz, Bennett, Pitt 1st rd pick 2016
To Pittsburgh: Kessel, Rielly, Kadri

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Oglethorpe wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Also there has been significant chatter around the organization that sens are willing to spend right now to make this team into a contender. If you think they will stand pat this season and stick with what we've got then you better think again. Either they will trade for a bigger ticket than they already have or they will be giving some significant money to a FA.

No way do we go into next season with the roster we have. No way. I just hope it's not Stewart.

As it stands right now I would let condra walk and lazar start in the minor. If Chiasson is still here then I have no problem with him starting on that 3rd line. And since everyone is penciling Neil to stay that's your 4rth line RW.
In the left you have a mix of mac, Hoffman and that is where you slide Williams IMO. Then it's pumpel or prince as injuries happen With michalek to start.
Where are you hearing the chatter.  I haven't heard anything since November and at that point I was told 60M (ish) this season, 65M (ish) next season and full on whatever it takes in following seasons.  Melnyk has ALWAYS been open to bringing in rentals at the deadline no matter the salary.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/ottawa-senators

Current cap is $60.3M with 11 forwards and 7 D. Add $600K for Wideman and $863 for Puempel and you are already close to $62M without Hoffman. If they keep him it's going to be at least $2.5M. If they don't, then I assume am upgrade at top-six that's even higher. It's still possible that Cowen goes the other way but there's little chance the Sens aren't closer to $62 than $60M this season.


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wprager wrote:
Oglethorpe wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Also there has been significant chatter around the organization that sens are willing to spend right now to make this team into a contender. If you think they will stand pat this season and stick with what we've got then you better think again. Either they will trade for a bigger ticket than they already have or they will be giving some significant money to a FA.

No way do we go into next season with the roster we have. No way. I just hope it's not Stewart.

As it stands right now I would let condra walk and lazar start in the minor. If Chiasson is still here then I have no problem with him starting on that 3rd line. And since everyone is penciling Neil to stay that's your 4rth line RW.
In the left you have a mix of mac, Hoffman and that is where you slide Williams IMO. Then it's pumpel or prince as injuries happen With michalek to start.
Where are you hearing the chatter.  I haven't heard anything since November and at that point I was told 60M (ish) this season, 65M (ish) next season and full on whatever it takes in following seasons.  Melnyk has ALWAYS been open to bringing in rentals at the deadline no matter the salary.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/ottawa-senators

Current cap is $60.3M with 11 forwards and 7 D.  Add $600K for Wideman and $863 for Puempel and you are already close to $62M without Hoffman.  If they keep him it's going to be at least $2.5M.  If they don't, then I assume am upgrade at top-six that's even higher.  It's still possible that Cowen goes the other way but there's little chance the Sens aren't closer to $62 than $60M this season.

I'm not going to go dig up articles to support this but it was not from bloggers. This was network analysts saying this. Sens are in a position where they will spend. Not saying they will spend and get within a million of the cap but the purse strings have been loosened.

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Flo The Action wrote:Also there has been significant chatter around the organization that sens are willing to spend right now to make this team into a contender. If you think they will stand pat this season and stick with what we've got then you better think again. Either they will trade for a bigger ticket than they already have or they will be giving some significant money to a FA.

No way do we go into next season with the roster we have. No way. I just hope it's not Stewart.

As it stands right now I would let condra walk and lazar start in the minor. If Chiasson is still here then I have no problem with him starting on that 3rd line. And since everyone is penciling Neil to stay that's your 4rth line RW.
In the left you have a mix of mac, Hoffman and that is where you slide Williams IMO. Then it's pumpel or prince as injuries happen With michalek to start.

Really not sure anything is gonna come of this off-season. I don't see one area at forward where we can say we're weak and we need to spend money to solve a problem. A lot of success will come when players like Chiasson, Puempel, Prince, Lazar and Pageau start to get some serious games in and have some success.

The glaring issues come at D. Are we good enough to do anything with the D we have? Not convinced we are, but at the same time if you don't commit to giving Wiercioch, Ceci, Boro, Cowen and Wideman ample time to fully develop, then you need to trade one or two of them.

The way it is right now we need to make some moves and ship some bodies out. I'd expect the lineup to look something like this:

Mac - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - ZBad - Ryan
Puempel/Prince - Pageau - Michalek
Puempel/Prince - Smith - Neil
Chiasson
Greening

Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Boro/Cowen - Wideman/Boro/Cowen
one of Boro/Cowen/Wideman
Phillips

Anderson
Hammond

That's 24 players, so one more body moved and I really don't see anywhere where you can say it's a good idea to upgrade unless it's Hoffman or unless you're playing Puempel on line 4 and upgrading the 3rd line LW.

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#Sens have made an offer on Erik Condra so he has a decision to make on whether he tests market. Likely know tomorrow.

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The Sens MUST have a trade lined up if they offered Condra a contract.

Prince + Chiasson + perhaps Smith for Sharp? Must be something that purges us of a few bodies.

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SpezDispensed wrote:The Sens MUST have a trade lined up if they offered Condra a contract.  

Prince + Chiasson + perhaps Smith for Sharp?  Must be something that purges us of a few bodies.

I like condra a lot myself. But I don't see him as more than a fourth liner who is important to the PK. With Neil in I don't see how we have condra. Also I believe it may be time to move from Neil but that's another story.

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SpezDispensed wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Also there has been significant chatter around the organization that sens are willing to spend right now to make this team into a contender. If you think they will stand pat this season and stick with what we've got then you better think again. Either they will trade for a bigger ticket than they already have or they will be giving some significant money to a FA.

No way do we go into next season with the roster we have. No way. I just hope it's not Stewart.

As it stands right now I would let condra walk and lazar start in the minor. If Chiasson is still here then I have no problem with him starting on that 3rd line. And since everyone is penciling Neil to stay that's your 4rth line RW.
In the left you have a mix of mac, Hoffman and that is where you slide Williams IMO. Then it's pumpel or prince as injuries happen With michalek to start.

Really not sure anything is gonna come of this off-season.  I don't see one area at forward where we can say we're weak and we need to spend money to solve a problem.  A lot of success will come when players like Chiasson, Puempel, Prince, Lazar and Pageau start to get some serious games in and have some success.

The glaring issues come at D.  Are we good enough to do anything with the D we have?  Not convinced we are, but at the same time if you don't commit to giving Wiercioch, Ceci, Boro, Cowen and Wideman ample time to fully develop, then you need to trade one or two of them.

The way it is right now we need to make some moves and ship some bodies out.  I'd expect the lineup to look something like this:

Mac - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - ZBad - Ryan
Puempel/Prince - Pageau - Michalek
Puempel/Prince - Smith - Neil
Chiasson
Greening

Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Boro/Cowen - Wideman/Boro/Cowen
one of Boro/Cowen/Wideman
Phillips

Anderson
Hammond

That's 24 players, so one more body moved and I really don't see anywhere where you can say it's a good idea to upgrade unless it's Hoffman or unless you're playing Puempel on line 4 and upgrading the 3rd line LW.


Your 24 man roster includes both prince and pumpel making the jump. Mine does not. I see prince as being the first call up in case of injuries.

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Flo The Action wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Also there has been significant chatter around the organization that sens are willing to spend right now to make this team into a contender. If you think they will stand pat this season and stick with what we've got then you better think again. Either they will trade for a bigger ticket than they already have or they will be giving some significant money to a FA.

No way do we go into next season with the roster we have. No way. I just hope it's not Stewart.

As it stands right now I would let condra walk and lazar start in the minor. If Chiasson is still here then I have no problem with him starting on that 3rd line. And since everyone is penciling Neil to stay that's your 4rth line RW.
In the left you have a mix of mac, Hoffman and that is where you slide Williams IMO. Then it's pumpel or prince as injuries happen With michalek to start.

Really not sure anything is gonna come of this off-season.  I don't see one area at forward where we can say we're weak and we need to spend money to solve a problem.  A lot of success will come when players like Chiasson, Puempel, Prince, Lazar and Pageau start to get some serious games in and have some success.

The glaring issues come at D.  Are we good enough to do anything with the D we have?  Not convinced we are, but at the same time if you don't commit to giving Wiercioch, Ceci, Boro, Cowen and Wideman ample time to fully develop, then you need to trade one or two of them.

The way it is right now we need to make some moves and ship some bodies out.  I'd expect the lineup to look something like this:

Mac - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - ZBad - Ryan
Puempel/Prince - Pageau - Michalek
Puempel/Prince - Smith - Neil
Chiasson
Greening

Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Boro/Cowen - Wideman/Boro/Cowen
one of Boro/Cowen/Wideman
Phillips

Anderson
Hammond

That's 24 players, so one more body moved and I really don't see anywhere where you can say it's a good idea to upgrade unless it's Hoffman or unless you're playing Puempel on line 4 and upgrading the 3rd line LW.


Your 24 man roster includes both prince and pumpel making the jump. Mine does not. I see prince as being the first call up in case of injuries.

So you just waive Prince at the end of training camp and hope someone doesn't claim the 6th highest AHL scorer?

NEELY


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Flo The Action wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:The Sens MUST have a trade lined up if they offered Condra a contract.  

Prince + Chiasson + perhaps Smith for Sharp?  Must be something that purges us of a few bodies.

I like condra a lot myself. But I don't see him as more than a fourth liner who is important to the PK. With Neil in I don't see how we have condra. Also I believe it may be time to move from Neil but that's another story.


Don't underestimate that, it's important. He's also well liked.

Condra is replaceable but so is Neil, fact is Neil won't have a lot of people to go with at this point and injuries have caught up. If they can move Neil then signing Condra is a pretty good call.

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Oglethorpe wrote:
NEELY wrote:Again, Skinner is very much available.
True, but I don't think he's any less risky than Hoffman.

Maybe not but his downside is probably close to Hoffman's upside long term as well. Either way I am not a Skinner fan but I would take him over Hoffman no problem.

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SpezDispensed wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Also there has been significant chatter around the organization that sens are willing to spend right now to make this team into a contender. If you think they will stand pat this season and stick with what we've got then you better think again. Either they will trade for a bigger ticket than they already have or they will be giving some significant money to a FA.

No way do we go into next season with the roster we have. No way. I just hope it's not Stewart.

As it stands right now I would let condra walk and lazar start in the minor. If Chiasson is still here then I have no problem with him starting on that 3rd line. And since everyone is penciling Neil to stay that's your 4rth line RW.
In the left you have a mix of mac, Hoffman and that is where you slide Williams IMO. Then it's pumpel or prince as injuries happen With michalek to start.

Really not sure anything is gonna come of this off-season.  I don't see one area at forward where we can say we're weak and we need to spend money to solve a problem.  A lot of success will come when players like Chiasson, Puempel, Prince, Lazar and Pageau start to get some serious games in and have some success.

The glaring issues come at D.  Are we good enough to do anything with the D we have?  Not convinced we are, but at the same time if you don't commit to giving Wiercioch, Ceci, Boro, Cowen and Wideman ample time to fully develop, then you need to trade one or two of them.

The way it is right now we need to make some moves and ship some bodies out.  I'd expect the lineup to look something like this:

Mac - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - ZBad - Ryan
Puempel/Prince - Pageau - Michalek
Puempel/Prince - Smith - Neil
Chiasson
Greening

Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Boro/Cowen - Wideman/Boro/Cowen
one of Boro/Cowen/Wideman
Phillips

Anderson
Hammond

That's 24 players, so one more body moved and I really don't see anywhere where you can say it's a good idea to upgrade unless it's Hoffman or unless you're playing Puempel on line 4 and upgrading the 3rd line LW.


Your 24 man roster includes both prince and pumpel making the jump. Mine does not. I see prince as being the first call up in case of injuries.

So you just waive Prince at the end of training camp and hope someone doesn't claim the 6th highest AHL scorer?
Arkkkk..... I didn't know he had to be put through waivers. Ya, that might change a few things. With uncle Tim in Buffalo ready to scoop in.

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NEELY wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:The Sens MUST have a trade lined up if they offered Condra a contract.  

Prince + Chiasson + perhaps Smith for Sharp?  Must be something that purges us of a few bodies.

I like condra a lot myself. But I don't see him as more than a fourth liner who is important to the PK. With Neil in I don't see how we have condra. Also I believe it may be time to move from Neil but that's another story.


Don't underestimate that, it's important.  He's also well liked.  

Condra is replaceable but so is Neil, fact is Neil won't have a lot of people to go with at this point and injuries have caught up.  If they can move Neil then signing Condra is a pretty good call.
Might point was that I'd rather keep condra over Neil. I have been vocal enough about us moving on with Neil. Combined with a few more assets/player could get us a decent return.

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wprager wrote:
Oglethorpe wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:Also there has been significant chatter around the organization that sens are willing to spend right now to make this team into a contender. If you think they will stand pat this season and stick with what we've got then you better think again. Either they will trade for a bigger ticket than they already have or they will be giving some significant money to a FA.

No way do we go into next season with the roster we have. No way. I just hope it's not Stewart.

As it stands right now I would let condra walk and lazar start in the minor. If Chiasson is still here then I have no problem with him starting on that 3rd line. And since everyone is penciling Neil to stay that's your 4rth line RW.
In the left you have a mix of mac, Hoffman and that is where you slide Williams IMO. Then it's pumpel or prince as injuries happen With michalek to start.
Where are you hearing the chatter.  I haven't heard anything since November and at that point I was told 60M (ish) this season, 65M (ish) next season and full on whatever it takes in following seasons.  Melnyk has ALWAYS been open to bringing in rentals at the deadline no matter the salary.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/ottawa-senators

Current cap is $60.3M with 11 forwards and 7 D.  Add $600K for Wideman and $863 for Puempel and you are already close to $62M without Hoffman.  If they keep him it's going to be at least $2.5M.  If they don't, then I assume am upgrade at top-six that's even higher.  It's still possible that Cowen goes the other way but there's little chance the Sens aren't closer to $62 than $60M this season.
The payroll is actually 59.8 with Wideman. Add Chiasson, pumped and Hoffman, remove Greening and they will only need to shed about 2M.

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