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Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015

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361Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:38 pm

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LeCaptain wrote:Why does everyone always have to find a winner in a trade.
If you trade a player that you don't really need and it returns a player that adds more to your team it doesn't matter who is the better player.
And if you say "they could have gotten more" well guess what if they didn't get more it's probably because nobody offered more.

In the cap era, clearing space is an underrated factor in most trades to determine who wins. Look at the Spezza trade. He was never going to re-sign here. So, Ottawa ships him out, moves his $7M cap-hit ($4M salary), gets a young 3rd liner, two prospects, and a 2nd rd pick. Resounding win for Ottawa IMO. But if you base the trade on the players coming in and out then Dallas is the clear-cut winner - for now.

When Nick Paul scores 25g/year as an NHL'er and Spezza is retired, we'll all look back at that trade and say we got the better player. The cap hit will be a distant memory, but for Ottawa, it was a huge factor and allowed the organization to grow in a different direction.

Not saying that was relevant to today's trade, but I am just adding to your point that people try to pick clear-cut winners but there are a lot of underlying factors that get overlooked.

362Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:39 pm

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Nick Paul is 8 points ahead of his pace from last year in 20 less games. He cracked the 30 goal mark.

363Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:40 pm

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DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:
SpezDispensed wrote:It's not budget with Condra, come on.  If anything he'll get less money than he's getting now if he wants to be here.  1.5 tops, sign or then we'll trade you.

Besides, when was the last time Uncle Eugene didn't 'pony' up for one of our pending UFAs?

Condra is a 28 year old UFA and this is likely his prime, so why not develop someone who can already do the same job with a higher potential to contribute more at a cheaper cost?

I like Condra but his being on the team is stunting the development of a few guys in the minors who could very well be better than him. IMO, you trade Condra and you move/buy-out Legwand in the off-season. Derek Grant is an RFA, will be 25 next year, and he's a left-handed center. You just replaced Legwand and Condra with one player, saved yourself roughly $3M annually (which we'll need to re-sign Hoff, Zib, Stone) and opened up a roster spot for another player. If they could they would move both Neil and Phillips but it's awful PR and won't. Trading Condra is a much easier option.

Hoffman-Zib-Ryan
MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Michalek-Pageau-Prince
Puempel-Grant-Chiasson
Neil

If Neil or Chiasson get traded you carry Robinson as the extra forward. If Pageau gets traded you always have Da Costa as a potential option.

I don't see any problem with any of this except buying out Legwand. We'll see what happens down the road and hopefully the motivation is actually improving the team somewhat.

364Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:11 pm

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LeCaptain wrote:Nick Leddy 7 year extension.
Boychuk is prob next

$5.5 / 7 years for Leddy. Turrible. NYI is going to have to buy out like 3-4 players by 2017-18.

365Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:15 pm

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NEELY wrote:Like the deal for Leddy too.

Ugh, what has Leddy done to earn $5.5 mil / 7 years? Even in NYI, he's a 3-4 Dman at best.

366Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:20 pm

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Dreglund™ is using his twitter account and whatever airtime he's given to drum up business for his beloved Leafs. What a clown.

367Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:33 pm

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rooneypoo wrote:
NEELY wrote:Like the deal for Leddy too.

Ugh, what has Leddy done to earn $5.5 mil / 7 years? Even in NYI, he's a 3-4 Dman at best.
More than Methot and his 4.9M. At least as much as Orpik and Niskanen. This is the going rate for solid 3-4 dmen.

368Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:34 pm

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rooneypoo wrote:
NEELY wrote:Like the deal for Leddy too.

Ugh, what has Leddy done to earn $5.5 mil / 7 years? Even in NYI, he's a 3-4 Dman at best.

You are paying for potential a little but fact of the matter is it is tough to find a D man in his prime that could be part of your top pairing. Bought some UFA year as well which counts for something, well a lot of UFA years actually.

369Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:34 pm

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rooneypoo wrote:
LeCaptain wrote:Nick Leddy 7 year extension.
Boychuk is prob next

$5.5 / 7 years for Leddy. Turrible. NYI is going to have to buy out like 3-4 players by 2017-18.
I think they look really well positioned moving forward. Snow is doing a fantastic job.

370Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:22 pm

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You don't give that much term at that price to a non elite player

371Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:54 pm

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Sens have a scout at the Rangers/Flames game. Assuming they are sellers, that means possible trade with one of those two. Which of those two needs D-man or a 4LC with experience?


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372Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:11 pm

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wprager wrote:Sens have a scout at the Rangers/Flames game.  Assuming they are sellers, that means possible trade with one of those two.  Which of those two needs  D-man or a 4LC with experience?

thats jumping to conclusions..

373Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:24 pm

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Ev wrote:
wprager wrote:Sens have a scout at the Rangers/Flames game.  Assuming they are sellers, that means possible trade with one of those two.  Which of those two needs  D-man or a 4LC with experience?

thats jumping to conclusions..

What are your sources saying?

374Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:53 pm

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Ev wrote:You don't give that much term at that price to a non elite player
He's 23, already finished his bridge deal and the price is the going rate. Not every team is on an internal b.....

375Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:55 pm

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Ev wrote:
wprager wrote:Sens have a scout at the Rangers/Flames game.  Assuming they are sellers, that means possible trade with one of those two.  Which of those two needs  D-man or a 4LC with experience?

thats jumping to conclusions..

What are your sources saying?
My sources are saying that our scouts are job hunting with the Flames and/or Rangers.

376Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:29 pm

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Oglethorpe wrote:
Ev wrote:You don't give that much term at that price to a non elite player
He's 23, already finished his bridge deal and the price is the going rate.  Not every team is on an internal b.....

If you're giving a guy seven years you should be getting some sort of discount.

377Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:40 pm

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Ev wrote:
wprager wrote:Sens have a scout at the Rangers/Flames game.  Assuming they are sellers, that means possible trade with one of those two.  Which of those two needs  D-man or a 4LC with experience?

thats jumping to conclusions..

Okay, then, assuming they are buyers, which of those two have a #1 center they can spare or at least a LHS power forward winger?


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378Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 - Page 25 Empty Re: Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015 Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:44 pm

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Ev wrote:
Oglethorpe wrote:
Ev wrote:You don't give that much term at that price to a non elite player
He's 23, already finished his bridge deal and the price is the going rate.  Not every team is on an internal b.....

If you're giving a guy seven years you should  be getting some sort of discount.
Or you look at the 5 years of UFA at 5.5 as the discount.

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