Trade Deadline BONANZA 2015

7 years at 5.5 million a year? Geez, that could backfire in a big way.

SpezDispensed wrote:7 years at 5.5 million a year?  Geez, that could backfire in a big way.  

Price is fine, it's the term that could be an issue. Boychuk should get a little more. I guess Griffin Reinhardt will be on the block at some point soon.

Flo The Action wrote:Wasnt it this off season that people were saying DSP wouldn't ever get traded? Man.... I'm jealous

Only the people that thought "DSP" was some kind of big deal. Not a huge upgrade on our very own Erik Condra.

SpezDispensed wrote:7 years at 5.5 million a year?  Geez, that could backfire in a big way.  

Wow, for a guy that had a great year and had his struggles before that. I guess it's the isles and they are gonna have to overpay to keep players.
I hope they can retain boychuck because I don't want him to go to Edmonton.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:Wasnt it this off season that people were saying DSP wouldn't ever get traded? Man.... I'm jealous

Only the people that thought "DSP" was some kind of big deal. Not a huge upgrade on our very own Erik Condra.

You are kidding right ?

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:7 years at 5.5 million a year?  Geez, that could backfire in a big way.  

Wow, for a guy that had a great year and had his struggles before that. I guess it's the isles and they are gonna have to overpay to keep players.
I hope they can retain boychuck because I don't want him to go to Edmonton.

Term is a scary thing. A guy like Leddy hasn't proven much really, but they must love him. They better hope he continues an upward trend though.

Oglethorpe wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:Wasnt it this off season that people were saying DSP wouldn't ever get traded? Man.... I'm jealous

Only the people that thought "DSP" was some kind of big deal. Not a huge upgrade on our very own Erik Condra.

You are kidding right ?

DSP is younger so points for that. Otherwise, about the same production and contribute about the same overall to a team albeit in different ways. So yeah, an upgrade, but not a huge one.

Love the trade for Montreal. DSP is exactly the type of winger they need and is capable of putting up 20, no problem. Lots of potential to grow there and he's a can't miss NHL winger. Will never be a 1st line talent but he's capable of playing there.

NEELY wrote:Love the trade for Montreal.  DSP is exactly the type of winger they need and is capable of putting up 20, no problem.  Lots of potential to grow there and he's a can't miss NHL winger.  Will never be a 1st line talent but he's capable of playing there.

He makes everyone in that dressing room about a foot taller.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:Wasnt it this off season that people were saying DSP wouldn't ever get traded? Man.... I'm jealous

Only the people that thought "DSP" was some kind of big deal. Not a huge upgrade on our very own Erik Condra.

You are kidding right ?

DSP is younger so points for that. Otherwise, about the same production and contribute about the same overall to a team albeit in different ways. So yeah, an upgrade, but not a huge one.

DSP also plays physical (or at least has in the few Anaheim games I have seen him play), and that is something that is sorely missing from the habs. Adding a skill player for Anaheim, where physical play is not in short supply, is solid as well. Great trade for both teams IMO.

Condra is a good, not great penalty killer, who is a 4th liner and has maxed out his potential. He is very replaceable on a team that is missing the playoffs this year and likely next year as well.

Like the deal for Leddy too.

Oglethorpe wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:Wasnt it this off season that people were saying DSP wouldn't ever get traded? Man.... I'm jealous

Only the people that thought "DSP" was some kind of big deal. Not a huge upgrade on our very own Erik Condra.

You are kidding right ?

DSP is younger so points for that. Otherwise, about the same production and contribute about the same overall to a team albeit in different ways. So yeah, an upgrade, but not a huge one.

DSP also plays physical (or at least has in the few Anaheim games I have seen him play), and that is something that is sorely missing from the habs.  Adding a skill player for Anaheim, where physical play is not in short supply, is solid as well.  Great trade for both teams IMO.

Condra is a good, not great penalty killer, who is a 4th liner and has maxed out his potential.  He is very replaceable on a team that is missing the playoffs this year and likely next year as well.

His playoff last year is a huge reason why you take a shot as well. Fact of the matter is the Habs are a regular season team needs to get lucky to win in the playoffs along with great goaltending. All Euro's up front with no jam, DSP helps with that in a huge way.

Why does everyone always have to find a winner in a trade.
If you trade a player that you don't really need and it returns a player that adds more to your team it doesn't matter who is the better player.
And if you say "they could have gotten more" well guess what if they didn't get more it's probably because nobody offered more.

LeCaptain wrote:Why does everyone always have to find a winner in a trade.
If you trade a player that you don't really need and it returns a player that adds more to your team it doesn't matter who is the better player.
And if you say "they could have gotten more" well guess what if they didn't get more it's probably because nobody offered more.

Both teams obviously addressed a need and are probably happier to have the guy they got than they would have been to keep the guy they had.

SpezDispensed wrote:It's not budget with Condra, come on.  If anything he'll get less money than he's getting now if he wants to be here.  1.5 tops, sign or then we'll trade you.

Besides, when was the last time Uncle Eugene didn't 'pony' up for one of our pending UFAs?

Condra is a 28 year old UFA and this is likely his prime, so why not develop someone who can already do the same job with a higher potential to contribute more at a cheaper cost?

I like Condra but his being on the team is stunting the development of a few guys in the minors who could very well be better than him. IMO, you trade Condra and you move/buy-out Legwand in the off-season. Derek Grant is an RFA, will be 25 next year, and he's a left-handed center. You just replaced Legwand and Condra with one player, saved yourself roughly $3M annually (which we'll need to re-sign Hoff, Zib, Stone) and opened up a roster spot for another player. If they could they would move both Neil and Phillips but it's awful PR and won't. Trading Condra is a much easier option.

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If Neil or Chiasson get traded you carry Robinson as the extra forward. If Pageau gets traded you always have Da Costa as a potential option.

LeCaptain wrote:Why does everyone always have to find a winner in a trade.
If you trade a player that you don't really need and it returns a player that adds more to your team it doesn't matter who is the better player.
And if you say "they could have gotten more" well guess what if they didn't get more it's probably because nobody offered more.

In the cap era, clearing space is an underrated factor in most trades to determine who wins. Look at the Spezza trade. He was never going to re-sign here. So, Ottawa ships him out, moves his $7M cap-hit ($4M salary), gets a young 3rd liner, two prospects, and a 2nd rd pick. Resounding win for Ottawa IMO. But if you base the trade on the players coming in and out then Dallas is the clear-cut winner - for now.

When Nick Paul scores 25g/year as an NHL'er and Spezza is retired, we'll all look back at that trade and say we got the better player. The cap hit will be a distant memory, but for Ottawa, it was a huge factor and allowed the organization to grow in a different direction.

Not saying that was relevant to today's trade, but I am just adding to your point that people try to pick clear-cut winners but there are a lot of underlying factors that get overlooked.

Nick Paul is 8 points ahead of his pace from last year in 20 less games. He cracked the 30 goal mark.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:It's not budget with Condra, come on.  If anything he'll get less money than he's getting now if he wants to be here.  1.5 tops, sign or then we'll trade you.

Besides, when was the last time Uncle Eugene didn't 'pony' up for one of our pending UFAs?

Condra is a 28 year old UFA and this is likely his prime, so why not develop someone who can already do the same job with a higher potential to contribute more at a cheaper cost?

I like Condra but his being on the team is stunting the development of a few guys in the minors who could very well be better than him. IMO, you trade Condra and you move/buy-out Legwand in the off-season. Derek Grant is an RFA, will be 25 next year, and he's a left-handed center. You just replaced Legwand and Condra with one player, saved yourself roughly $3M annually (which we'll need to re-sign Hoff, Zib, Stone) and opened up a roster spot for another player. If they could they would move both Neil and Phillips but it's awful PR and won't. Trading Condra is a much easier option.

Hoffman-Zib-Ryan
MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Michalek-Pageau-Prince
Puempel-Grant-Chiasson
Neil

If Neil or Chiasson get traded you carry Robinson as the extra forward. If Pageau gets traded you always have Da Costa as a potential option.

I don't see any problem with any of this except buying out Legwand. We'll see what happens down the road and hopefully the motivation is actually improving the team somewhat.