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NEELY wrote:.... Edm has Pitts 1st rounder.

True. I still think getting Hertl from San Jose is better than that pick. If Edmonton can fill a more immediate need than a pick would bring, and they certainly have the players to do so, then that might be a better option.

Don't have to look at a trade with Edmonton as getting the player you want back, you get an asset back that you can then move for the player you want. Fact is Colorado doesn't want a goalie, they have one. ROR is not resigning in Colorado. How many teams can give up picks and prospects and potentially a D man for ROR? Hell, who has the cap room to add him on top of all that. Who has a big a need for a LH top 6 center/winger than Ottawa?

That's how I look at any deal involving Lehner because I think there's only 1 place he goes and you take the best and most useful asset you can from the Oilers and that's a Pitt 1st or Edm's own 2nd rounder (difference is marginal at this point).

NEELY wrote:Don't have to look at a trade with Edmonton as getting the player you want back, you get an asset back that you can then move for the player you want.  Fact is Colorado doesn't want a goalie, they have one.  ROR is not resigning in Colorado.  How many teams can give up picks and prospects and potentially a D man for ROR?  Hell, who has the cap room to add him on top of all that.  Who has a big a need for a LH top 6 center/winger than Ottawa?

That's how I look at any deal involving Lehner because I think there's only 1 place he goes and you take the best and most useful asset you can from the Oilers and that's a Pitt 1st or Edm's own 2nd rounder (difference is marginal at this point).

Fair enough, I could see that happening too. But I still think getting that pick to make a pick would be a waste. You flip it, you might have something.

Honestly, I don't know if you throw all you got at COL for ROR anyway. Is he that much better than Zib or Turris? Not sure. Maybe you pick up some picks from other deals (veteran purge) and use those to add to an EDM offer to get someone like Hall instead.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't have to look at a trade with Edmonton as getting the player you want back, you get an asset back that you can then move for the player you want.  Fact is Colorado doesn't want a goalie, they have one.  ROR is not resigning in Colorado.  How many teams can give up picks and prospects and potentially a D man for ROR?  Hell, who has the cap room to add him on top of all that.  Who has a big a need for a LH top 6 center/winger than Ottawa?

That's how I look at any deal involving Lehner because I think there's only 1 place he goes and you take the best and most useful asset you can from the Oilers and that's a Pitt 1st or Edm's own 2nd rounder (difference is marginal at this point).

Fair enough, I could see that happening too. But I still think getting that pick to make a pick would be a waste. You flip it, you might have something.

Honestly, I don't know if you throw all you got at COL for ROR anyway. Is he that much better than Zib or Turris? Not sure. Maybe you pick up some picks from other deals (veteran purge) and use those to add to an EDM offer to get someone like Hall instead.

100% agreed. If Colorado did receive a 1st for a guy they picked in the 2nd round and some additional assets then they save a bit of face.

As for ROR himeslf, he isn't that much better than either of those guys, they are both solid but he's a LH shot which the Sens don't have up the middle nor do they have a guy who can play both center and wing effectively. Having Pageau, Turris, Lazar, Zibanejad, ROR is what you call crazy depth, you need it.

I think if the Sens do pick up some more assets for guys like Legwand, Phillips, Neil, then it's even easier to move some picks along.

Trades aside, here's how I think we can more out of the Centers we currently have: flip Turris and Zibanejad.

Zibanejad looks like more of a finisher that could work well with MacArthur and Stone, who makes some beautiful passes that Turris wastes by missing the net or fanning on the puck. And Turris might work better with Ryan and Hoffman and leave the scoring to them.

MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Zibanejad-Ryan
ROR-Da Costa-Filatov
Michalek-Pageau-Condra

Don't think you need to flip anyone, the Hoffman/Zibanejad/Ryan line has become the line teams focus on. It's happened naturally and I don't think you break that up. It's been proven in the past that Stone/Turris/MacArthur works and with easier matchups they should start producing more again.

All in all I think Ottawa needs 1 more top 6 guy that can move around the lineup like ROR. To me that's just a player that makes too much sense for Ottawa not to go all in on in terms of what they have available to give up.

Goaltending is set.
Defense with Methot is set. Lack experience but it's coming as well as the confidence as a group.
Forwards, needs some fine tuning. ROR is a perfect fit both on the ice and in the cap world seeing they can get Greening, Smith, Phillips, and maybe Neil off the books. You look at what Tampa did with their vets and who they have added (Callahan) and that's what I think Ottawa should be doing with ROR.

Ev wrote:MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Zibanejad-Ryan
ROR-Da Costa-Filatov
Michalek-Pageau-Condra

All things being equal I think it's possible the Sens end up next season with these 13

Hoffman/Zibanejad/Ryan
MacArthur/Turris/Stone
Chaisson/ROR/Lazar
Michalek/Pageau/Prince or Peumpel
Condra

Again a little inexperienced but there are some guys there that can carry the load at this point.

I think the most interesting off season stuff is what do they do with Smith (will be easy to find a trade for), Greening, Phillips, Legwand, and Neil.  That's a lot of work. That's also 11 + mil in cap space that will obviously be used up on Hoffman, Stone, and Ceci in short order.

NEELY wrote:Don't have to look at a trade with Edmonton as getting the player you want back, you get an asset back that you can then move for the player you want. Fact is Colorado doesn't want a goalie, they have one. ROR is not resigning in Colorado. How many teams can give up picks and prospects and potentially a D man for ROR? Hell, who has the cap room to add him on top of all that. Who has a big a need for a LH top 6 center/winger than Ottawa?

That's how I look at any deal involving Lehner because I think there's only 1 place he goes and you take the best and most useful asset you can from the Oilers and that's a Pitt 1st or Edm's own 2nd rounder (difference is marginal at this point).

All good points. Maybe they try to add both. Would have a legitimate shot at a cup next season with Methot, Eberle, ROR on the team.

Not sure what it would take to get ROR though. I imagine it will take a Bobby Ryan type trade.

Ev wrote:MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Zibanejad-Ryan
ROR-Da Costa-Filatov
Michalek-Pageau-Condra

Why in the world would you even bother with Filatov? There's better options in Bingo for goodness sake.

I could see Lazar on the farm next season. They probably don't think he can progress in Junior anymore and IMO I think he'd do well to be on the farm right now except for the fact that he's not eligible. Who knows though. A season in the NHL, in a limited role, and a full off season of training etc... and he might come in and really open some eyes.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't have to look at a trade with Edmonton as getting the player you want back, you get an asset back that you can then move for the player you want.  Fact is Colorado doesn't want a goalie, they have one.  ROR is not resigning in Colorado.  How many teams can give up picks and prospects and potentially a D man for ROR?  Hell, who has the cap room to add him on top of all that.  Who has a big a need for a LH top 6 center/winger than Ottawa?

That's how I look at any deal involving Lehner because I think there's only 1 place he goes and you take the best and most useful asset you can from the Oilers and that's a Pitt 1st or Edm's own 2nd rounder (difference is marginal at this point).

All good points. Maybe they try to add both. Would have a legitimate shot at a cup next season with Methot, Eberle, ROR on the team.

Not sure what it would take to get ROR though. I imagine it will take a Bobby Ryan type trade.

Which would be a 1st(Lehner), Wiercioch (Silfverberg), and Puempel/Prince (Noesen). What do the Sens end up giving up in that deal? Their backup, their #7 D, and a good prospect. To me I think it makes sense but we'll see what happens.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I could see Lazar on the farm next season.  They probably don't think he can progress in Junior anymore and IMO I think he'd do well to be on the farm right now except for the fact that he's not eligible.  Who knows though.  A season in the NHL, in a limited role, and a full off season of training etc... and he might come in and really open some eyes.

I think he starts there personally. I think they send him to juniors soon, then he starts in Bingo to work on his pro finish, then the next call up he gets, he's here to stay.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I could see Lazar on the farm next season.  They probably don't think he can progress in Junior anymore and IMO I think he'd do well to be on the farm right now except for the fact that he's not eligible.  Who knows though.  A season in the NHL, in a limited role, and a full off season of training etc... and he might come in and really open some eyes.

He could but Lazar tends to shut people up it seems and rise to expectations.

Maybe a guy like Robinson or Grant get a spot out of camp and they let Lazar figure it out in the AHL, it's not an unlikely scenario but I wouldn't hold my breath either. Guys like McKormick, Dzingle, even a DD get a shot at that 3rd, 4th line wing spot.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

NEELY wrote:Don't have to look at a trade with Edmonton as getting the player you want back, you get an asset back that you can then move for the player you want.  Fact is Colorado doesn't want a goalie, they have one.  ROR is not resigning in Colorado.  How many teams can give up picks and prospects and potentially a D man for ROR?  Hell, who has the cap room to add him on top of all that.  Who has a big a need for a LH top 6 center/winger than Ottawa?

That's how I look at any deal involving Lehner because I think there's only 1 place he goes and you take the best and most useful asset you can from the Oilers and that's a Pitt 1st or Edm's own 2nd rounder (difference is marginal at this point).

All good points. Maybe they try to add both. Would have a legitimate shot at a cup next season with Methot, Eberle, ROR on the team.

Not sure what it would take to get ROR though. I imagine it will take a Bobby Ryan type trade.

Must re-sign Methot. It must happen for us to have a shot at the playoffs next season. The only guy who truly partners with Karlsson properly.

It's a must. 5 X 5? Ok, fine.

NEELY wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I could see Lazar on the farm next season.  They probably don't think he can progress in Junior anymore and IMO I think he'd do well to be on the farm right now except for the fact that he's not eligible.  Who knows though.  A season in the NHL, in a limited role, and a full off season of training etc... and he might come in and really open some eyes.

He could but Lazar tends to shut people up it seems and rise to expectations.

Maybe a guy like Robinson or Grant get a spot out of camp and they let Lazar figure it out in the AHL, it's not an unlikely scenario but I wouldn't hold my breath either.  Guys like McKormick, Dzingle, even a DD get a shot at that 3rd, 4th line wing spot.  

DD maybe, but they are gonna take so much time with Dzingel and McMormick I think. Like...another 2 years in Bingo before they get any regular shifts, only because they have a lot to learn to go with their filthy skill (especially Dzingel) and if you're patient, you might reap some really nice rewards. I have really high hopes for Dzingel personally. I think a lot of people in Sensland don't know what we have there.

I think a guy like DD should be getting that 4th line wing spot, I thought he had won a spot before the fight and wasn't going to give it up but they had to hit reset with him. There is also Robinson though who has the same kind of size and skates well but has a little more skill.

NEELY wrote:I think a guy like DD should be getting that 4th line wing spot, I thought he had won a spot before the fight and wasn't going to give it up but they had to hit reset with him.  There is also Robinson though who has the same kind of size and skates well but has a little more skill.

...and Cole Schneider who can play the game at the pro level and apparently continues to train hard to add to his 200 pound frame.