DEADLINE 2015: Value of Sens Players

2nd for sure for Neil.

NEELY wrote:2nd for sure for Neil.  

Honestly it isn't even worth moving the guy for anything less if he doesn't want to go.

If he doesn't want to go, him or Phillips, both guys have earned the right to stay as long as they want in whatever role they wish as long as they are capable of playing that role.

The only beef I have and it isn't really a beef is why those two would want to stay (in just a hockey sense) when the team won't be winning for a bit and they have a chance to pay for a cup again.   You kind of question their commitment to the game but I am not in their shoes and somethings may very much be more important than hockey to them.  

Yah, it would be nice to get some extra picks in this draft but fact of the matter is it shouldn't be at the expense of two guys that want to be part of the city and organization well after hockey which is an important factor.

You can move guys like Condra and Legwand up front well before Neil... back end is a little more complicated but if Methot doesn't resign then Ottawa's getting a late 1st anyways and that 2nd for Neil isn't all that great considering Ottawa has 2 already. I think Michalek is also a guy a team might look at and want to grab to add to the depth and at 4 mil for 2 more seasons it's not a bad move for 15-20 goals with a lot of experience.

spader wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Lebrun says there's lots of interest in Chris Neil, but the Neiler isn't interested in leaving.

Of course he's not. That's a guy that bleeds black, gold, and red. Does he have a no move?

He has a modified no-trade clause. I don't think Neil or Phillips will be moved this year. Maybe next trade deadline.

More details on the NTCs from Garrioch:

Phillips can submit a list of 10 teams where he doesn't want to be dealt while Neil has a clause in his contract that allows him to name 15 clubs where he won't accept a trade

Why are we trading Neil again?

SpezDispensed wrote:Why are we trading Neil again?

Building for the future, apparently. He's one of our older players who has value, so his name will come up every year. I don't think he will go, though...MAYBE at next year's deadline.

Wow so they really have no say...

Murray's will be busy. I wonder if Neil can snag a 1st rounder with that extra year on his deal.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:Why are we trading Neil again?

Building for the future, apparently.  He's one of our older players who has value, so his name will come up every year.  I don't think he will go, though...MAYBE at next year's deadline.

I realize he has value, but this is one guy that can still play and loves it here. Not sure how I feel, but this is why it's hard for Murray I'm sure. Granted though, another 2nd or whatever would be delicious.

tim1_2 wrote:More details on the NTCs from Garrioch:

Phillips can submit a list of 10 teams where he doesn't want to be dealt while Neil has a clause in his contract that allows him to name 15 clubs where he won't accept a trade

Ha. If Neil wants to block a trade, then, all he has to do is submit a list of all the contenders. If he says he won't go to 15 of the top 16 teams, he has a great chance of staying.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:2nd for sure for Neil.  

Honestly it isn't even worth moving the guy for anything less if he doesn't want to go.

Agreed. If he goes for a 3rd or 4th, I'll be unhappy. If he isn't worth a 2nd or better, then he's worth more to the Sens.

There is no way Murray gives up Neil for a 3rd or 4th, no chance. A 2nd... maybe? A 1st would be tough to say no to and a team that's really going to go for it this year might be willing to move a late 1st for Chris Neil.

Nashville might be a place where Neil lands if Fisher has anything to say about it but I don't think it would be for a 1st rounder... maybe 2, 2nds.

I could see a first from a team that thinks they can win the Cup and needs that 4th line/3rd line grit to come in and carry them over the hump. Perhaps a 1st for both Neil and Phillips, but Phillips extra year is a killer IMO.

SpezDispensed wrote:I could see a first from a team that thinks they can win the Cup and needs that 4th line/3rd line grit to come in and carry them over the hump.  Perhaps a 1st for both Neil and Phillips, but Phillips extra year is a killer IMO.

He'd be going to a better, probably deeper team and playing on a 3rd pairing, where he probably belongs, and could thrive. Yeah, 2.5 is a killer for such a player. Let's not get carried away here, 2.5 is a pittance in the NHL.

ah yes, i forot neil isn't a rental. yes, more than a 3rd for sure. i'm not sure it will get as juicy as a 1st to be honest, not in this draft. but a 2nd ad a 3rd are possibilities.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I could see a first from a team that thinks they can win the Cup and needs that 4th line/3rd line grit to come in and carry them over the hump.  Perhaps a 1st for both Neil and Phillips, but Phillips extra year is a killer IMO.

He'd be going to a better, probably deeper team and playing on a 3rd pairing, where he probably belongs, and could thrive. Yeah, 2.5 is a killer for such a player. Let's not get carried away here, 2.5 is a pittance in the NHL.

Yeah, but probably not for a team that's spending to the cap to try to win.

SpezDispensed wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:I could see a first from a team that thinks they can win the Cup and needs that 4th line/3rd line grit to come in and carry them over the hump.  Perhaps a 1st for both Neil and Phillips, but Phillips extra year is a killer IMO.

He'd be going to a better, probably deeper team and playing on a 3rd pairing, where he probably belongs, and could thrive. Yeah, 2.5 is a killer for such a player. Let's not get carried away here, 2.5 is a pittance in the NHL.

Yeah, but probably not for a team that's spending to the cap to try to win.

Most teams spending to the cap can fit in a guy like Phillips. As mentioned, $2.5M for one season is nothing.

It's all about flexibility. I'm not saying all contenders would balk, but there are a few in cap trouble going forward who would likely bow out of acquiring a guy like Phillips with term.

Neil is different, you actually want him on your team next year lol