DEADLINE 2015: Value of Sens Players

Could be an interesting trade deadline with so many teams being out of contention by that point.  Hopefully if we're still a borderline team at the time, it doesn't stop Murray from making moves to better the long-term health of the franchise.  Moving a guy like Legwand and possibly a goalie are still things that should be done if the return is right.  Both moves could have good return while still not compromising the possibilities for short-term success.

Let's hope it precipitates a ton of trades!!!

spader wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:This is challenging. Are we guessing who gets traded or what our players are worth?

Phillips (Boston, New York Rangers, New York Islanders, Washington) - 3rd rd pick or a low-end prospect
Smith (Chicago, Washington, Calgary, Colorado) - 4th/5th rd pick
Michalek (Winnipeg, San Jose) - 2nd rd pick
Wiercioch (Edmonton, Dallas, Columbus, Chicago) - 3rd rd pick
Methot (Edmonton, LA, NYR) - Prospect and 2nd rd pick

My guesses anyway.

That would be a good return.

He's been playing well, lately, putting up points.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Except either goalie, the kinds of players we would be willing to move would be worth no more than a 3rd rounder. You might get more if a single team liked 2 players and you'd get a better pick for the pair. Legwand might be worth a 2nd to a team in need of a C.

Simple economics. Supply drives demand. Not a lot of players available like Neil and Phillips out there. Experienced guys, know their role, don't cost much, unique intangibles. I expect the Rags and Isles to be active, especially for Neil and Phillips.

Smith is a young, cheap 4th liner. Wiercioch a young, cheap 4-6 defenceman. I expect teams pressed against the cap (Chicago, Boston) to be interested. Smith, Wiercioch for Oduya might be a possibility. They may even offer up Bickell, Erixon for cap relief.

My estimated returns are based on straight value but I certainly agree with the possibility that market conditions could influence the return. In fact, I am hoping that the factors you have correctly considered have a positive impact on any potential offers coming our way.

If management chooses to leverage our favourable cap position, it could be a windfall in terms of talent.

Bottom line, I think the potential picks and prospects returns might not be as exciting or beneficial as having some legitimate players come back in a cap cutting scenario for some teams.

"Cap cutting" deals will come in the summer, most likely. This thread is specifically for deadline deals.

Phillips, Neil, Smith, Anderson, Condra, Methot would me the most likely to be moved. Veterans, not prospects. Teams loading up for the playoffs don't not want prospects (I consider Wiercioch still a bit of a project). If there is an injury to a starter I could see Anderson fetching 1st+ (after all a contending team's first is nothing sexy). Methot is unsigned so won't get more than a second (just sign him already). None of the others would get us anything better than a second.

Anderson isn't being moved.

NEELY wrote:Anderson isn't being moved.

True he's signed so they can move him on the off season. But if they are out of it and a starter gets injured then they could get a deal they can't refuse.

I don't think Murray, Cameron, and the entire organization is BSing anyone when the say they want Anderson in the net for the next 4, 5, 6 seasons. Not saying Lehner will be traded but if I had to put my money on one guy moving it's him. I disagree with it but I think that's the way I think it plays out.

In the system right now they have Dreidger, Hogberg, and Hammond... Hammond might be able to be a back up for Anderson going forward if they trade Lehner or the can just sign a guy looking for some work. Dreidger and Hogberg both have NHL potential and will get a ton of time in that 4, 5 seasons Anderson would be the starter.

It's obviously not that cut and dry but there is nothing to say that they don't believe in some other gus in the organization as much as the do Lehner at this point even if their arrival will be a little later than Lehner's would be otherwise.

NEELY wrote:I don't think Murray, Cameron, and the entire organization is BSing anyone when the say they want Anderson in the net for the next 4, 5, 6 seasons.  Not saying Lehner will be traded but if I had to put my money on one guy moving it's him.  I disagree with it but I think that's the way I think it plays out.

In the system right now they have Dreidger, Hogberg, and Hammond... Hammond might be able to be a back up for Anderson going forward if they trade Lehner or the can just sign a guy looking for some work.  Dreidger and Hogberg both have NHL potential and will get a ton of time in that 4, 5 seasons Anderson would be the starter.  

It's obviously not that cut and dry but there is nothing to say that they don't believe in some other gus in the organization as much as the do Lehner at this point even if their arrival will be a little later than Lehner's would be otherwise.

They have never actually said that...or anything close to that.

I thought Driedger couldn't cut the AHL roster this year? Isn't playing in their affiliate?

Flo The Action wrote:I thought Driedger couldn't cut the AHL roster this year? Isn't playing in their affiliate?

So? He's 20 lol. The ECHL is a place a lot of goaltenders go to start their careers because the simply cant get the starts in the AHL and if they want their prospects playing most nights then that's where they will get the most time. It's hard to push for starts when there are more polished goaltenders in front of you.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:I don't think Murray, Cameron, and the entire organization is BSing anyone when the say they want Anderson in the net for the next 4, 5, 6 seasons.  Not saying Lehner will be traded but if I had to put my money on one guy moving it's him.  I disagree with it but I think that's the way I think it plays out.

In the system right now they have Dreidger, Hogberg, and Hammond... Hammond might be able to be a back up for Anderson going forward if they trade Lehner or the can just sign a guy looking for some work.  Dreidger and Hogberg both have NHL potential and will get a ton of time in that 4, 5 seasons Anderson would be the starter.  

It's obviously not that cut and dry but there is nothing to say that they don't believe in some other gus in the organization as much as the do Lehner at this point even if their arrival will be a little later than Lehner's would be otherwise.

They have never actually said that...or anything close to that.

Murray has pretty much come out and said Anderson is their guy, not a lot to suggest otherwise other than the assumption a lot of people made (including myself) that he was signed to trade.

As for the Cameron comment, you're right he nor has MacLean ever said it but actions speak a lot louder than words... Cameron is a guy that plays the young guys and he has been playing Anderson as much as possible and said he will continue to do so down the stretch.

Everyone knows my opinion on Lehner so this is just pure unbias thoughts on my end based on the actions of the team and the words of the people in the organization.

They gotta make a call before the start of next season and get rid of one of Lehner or Anderson. Lehner has paid his dues long enough. Personally, I'd roll with Lehner, but that's just me.

http://www.echl.com/record-93-former-echl-players-on-nhl-opening-day-rosters-p187537

Article is a little old but still holds a ton of weight. People look at the ECHL like some sort of joke league where players go to die, it isn't. It's a viable option for organizations with deep prospect depth and an option for young professional goaltenders to play a lot of games without the pressure of performing and winning right away.

tim1_2 wrote:They gotta make a call before the start of next season and get rid of one of Lehner or Anderson. Lehner has paid his dues long enough. Personally, I'd roll with Lehner, but that's just me.

Same here, I think Lehner is going to be great. Not sure if the organization believes it though or just truly believes Anderson has a ton left in the tank and can continue this play over the long haul.

The other thing no one here knows is what the views on the two other guys in Dreidger and Hogberg are. I know some about Dreidger, I believe he will be an NHL goaltender on some level, maybe a Reimer type and Hogberg I know next to nothing. But if they are happy with both, opinions are high... then that's another variable.

Quick, Reimer, Scivens, Neuvirth, Kuemper, Mrazek, those are just some current NHL goalies who have had some time or a season or two in the ECHL before making it to the AHL then the NHL. I am sure there are others as well but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

NEELY wrote:http://www.echl.com/record-93-former-echl-players-on-nhl-opening-day-rosters-p187537

Article is a little old but still holds a ton of weight.  People look at the ECHL like some sort of joke league where players go to die, it isn't.  It's a viable option for organizations with deep prospect depth and an option for young professional goaltenders to play a lot of games without the pressure of performing and winning right away.  

fair points. I just felt he was coming in from calgary to challenge for the starting role but didn't make back-up. but you're right, he probably sees more minutes in the ECHL. it's been a while since we've heard much talk from the organization about our goaltending depth and their progression.

Exactly, there is no use to being a backup in the AHL, none. It's his first pro season so there is no reason at all to throw him to the wolves. Now... next year if he's not in the AHL that's a serious cause for concern.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:I don't think Murray, Cameron, and the entire organization is BSing anyone when the say they want Anderson in the net for the next 4, 5, 6 seasons.  Not saying Lehner will be traded but if I had to put my money on one guy moving it's him.  I disagree with it but I think that's the way I think it plays out.

In the system right now they have Dreidger, Hogberg, and Hammond... Hammond might be able to be a back up for Anderson going forward if they trade Lehner or the can just sign a guy looking for some work.  Dreidger and Hogberg both have NHL potential and will get a ton of time in that 4, 5 seasons Anderson would be the starter.  

It's obviously not that cut and dry but there is nothing to say that they don't believe in some other gus in the organization as much as the do Lehner at this point even if their arrival will be a little later than Lehner's would be otherwise.

They have never actually said that...or anything close to that.

Murray has pretty much come out and said Anderson is their guy, not a lot to suggest otherwise other than the assumption a lot of people made (including myself) that he was signed to trade.  

As for the Cameron comment, you're right he nor has MacLean ever said it but actions speak a lot louder than words... Cameron is a guy that plays the young guys and he has been playing Anderson as much as possible and said he will continue to do so down the stretch.

Everyone knows my opinion on Lehner so this is just pure unbias thoughts on my end based on the actions of the team and the words of the people in the organization.

Cameron is playing anderson because the organization is still focused on short term winning. If they sell a lot of guys at the deadline you will see a shift.