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Ev


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they're not gonna trade Lehner

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Flo The Action wrote:
NEELY wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:No no no... You do not trade Lehner. At the point we're at that is just stupid. We're 2-3 years from really competing and chances are that Anderson's play is only gonna deteriorate as his contract comes to an end. Is that what we want or do we wants team that grows together? No no no. You trade Anderson this year or in the summer. I'm with Neely, enough of this Dung. He's not getting any start how can you expect any consistency. If there's a point when Murray has to realize the gig is up it's now. You make the best of a bad situation and make some deals and prepare your players for next year and give playing time to the youth. Any other way and you're being short sited.

Honestly, it comes down to one thing with Lehner and Murray.  You either believe in him or you don't, it's that simple.  If you do then show it, roll with him, and give him the net.  If you don't, trade him.  What you or I think is of so little importance we won't discuss but that's the simple question Murray has to answer.
im a huge supporter of murray but i am starting to wonder his ability to make the big changes. Bobby ryan was a big move by him, so was turris but what we gave up for them were unproven commodity.silf being the main one that was of risk ad that seems to have worked out well. this is ultimately a bigger dilema. it's trading a guy that has proved himself and going with the unproven (yes and no, argument cab be made) guy. it's a much bigger risk. is BM capable of making that move? it's the kind of move that make or break GM's. y made the right move in montreal(even if at the time i believed they were wrong), now it's that tme here. we'll never know for sure but Lehner was rumoured to be involved in that trade that would of brough Rick Nash to Ottawa. is he capable of leaning to push out lehner? or will he sit on him for much longer? agree this has to get done before the start of next season. one way or another, i just see it as a major loss if it's lehner we trade.

It was a big move where he didn't have to give up anything of real value, he assumed the playoffs were coming and the pick would not be top 10 like it was. That was not a high risk move or a tough move, it was a no brainer. Turris, great move but again no brainer. Spezza, looks like a good move but Spezza demanded a trade... hell Murray couldn't trade him the first couple time he asked for a trade.

I have no faith in Murray beyond this point of the rebuild. He has always gotten this far and then a finisher comes in and cleans up.

As for Lehner/Anderson, like Ev said I don't think they trade Lehner either but they need to make a move before next season. The only thing that will surprise me is if Murray actually nuts up and makes a move.

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As an aside, do you wish Spezza had waived for Nashville (Spaling/Hornqvist) instead of the Dallas deal, now that we have seen it play out a bit?

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I doubt Murray will stay past the end of the year, I really don't think he can.

And yeah, you go with Lehner. It's a risk, but he's proven - in the past - that he's a big game goalie and he'll get back on track.

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dennycrane wrote:As an aside, do you wish Spezza had waived for Nashville (Spaling/Hornqvist) instead of the Dallas deal, now that we have seen it play out a bit?

Interesting question. Probably...go with the Nashville duo, but who knows how good Paul and Chiasson can be - even Guptill. Plus, another pieces with the 2nd rounder - which'll be a high one.

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To this day I don't understand why Dallas went with Spezza and didn't beat the bushes for a couple of good D-men. What a strange decision.

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Id go with the Dallas deal, more potential vs the upside of Spaling and Hornqvist which isn't all that great. Paul is going to be an NHLer without question, Chaisson could be the PF the Sens have always needed but patients is needed, he won't be round into form for another year or two, and the 2nd round pick is a 2nd round pick.

Ev

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I'd rather have Hornqvist. He's exactly the kind of winger we need. Shoots whenever he gets the puck and has speed.

PTFlea

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That's what tipped it for me.

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McKenzie: Los Angeles Kings are looking at Marc Methot and Andrej Sekera, among others, as possible defensive additions given Slava Voynov's situation. wrote:

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Kings would give up their 1st for Methot, it could be a top 15 pick if they get bounced early...

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dennycrane wrote:As an aside, do you wish Spezza had waived for Nashville (Spaling/Hornqvist) instead of the Dallas deal, now that we have seen it play out a bit?

Nashville are surely relieved that they "settled" for Mike Ribiero.

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Their place in the standings vs Dallas is a pretty good indication that they dodged a bullet.  Facts.

Should I even post the numbers of Spezza vs Ribeiro? More facts.

PTFlea

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Stats this year, yeah.

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I have always, always used Ribiero as the comparable to Spezza in both the way they play and their production.  I wouldn't take either, they are both the same player and always have been.  Ribiero just never had someone to pad his stats for him.

It's not even a small sample size anymore, lol, since 2008 they basically have the same production. Didn't do the math and I am not sure who is ahead of the other but they have to be close.

PTFlea

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Same number of points...but Spezza missed an entire season. It's really not close, Spezza's a much, much better player.

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Not that I really give a Diddle though. They're similar in their lack of desire to win, so it doesn't even matter.

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SpezDispensed wrote:Same number of points...but Spezza missed an entire season.  It's really not close, Spezza's a much, much better player.

Spezza actually has 20 less points since 08-09... missed an entire season sure, even if that season was 48 games where he played in 5. It's basically par.

Spezza is not that much better than Ribiero and never has been, they are the same player and always have been. Amazes me how people fail to see that.

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