Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion

Spezza for sharp? I'd be so happy.

Mind boggling the way this is going down... seriously... WTF.

Or someone suggested sharp + leddy for Spezza, but clearly that's too little from us. Diddle I'd love sharp. There are those rumours he doesn't fit in there, I'd love to have him here and Chicago was a 2c away from making the final IMO.

Please.

NEELY wrote:Also Sandy if you don't believe most of that blame came from MacLean and other players (like MacArthur who basically called out Spezza short of mentioning his name) then I am not sure what else I can say to you.  

Might be time to admit you bet on the wrong horse.

You don't like him, I get that..

He is not a defensive gem, never will be. But a point a game player over his career and in the playoffs, it's going to be hard to replace his points. You win games by stopping pucks, but you have to put them in the other net as well. With everyone playing up a level, depending on the return for Spezza of course, it won't be as easy next season...

SpezDispenser wrote:Or someone suggested sharp + leddy for Spezza, but clearly that's too little from us.  Diddle I'd love sharp.  There are those rumours he doesn't fit in there, I'd love to have him here and Chicago was a 2c away from making the final IMO.  

Please.

ya, sharp would be great here. doubt it happens though.

gotta love how it feels a deal will finally happen. can't wait to be rid of him, only hope the return is a little higher then what's been discussed lately on here... would like someone better then berglund.

I would hope this trade isn't just Spezza going out. There is also a glut of young defence under contract for next season and I think they need to move at least one out. Won't be EK, Phillips, or Ceci but all others could be available.

Upgrade at D, bring in a different center (preferably older) and I think you have a better balance.

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Or someone suggested sharp + leddy for Spezza, but clearly that's too little from us.  Diddle I'd love sharp.  There are those rumours he doesn't fit in there, I'd love to have him here and Chicago was a 2c away from making the final IMO.  

Please.

ya, sharp would be great here. doubt it happens though.

gotta love how it feels a deal will finally happen. can't wait to be rid of him, only hope the return is a little higher then what's been discussed lately on here... would like someone better then berglund.

Why do you say that about berglund?

I'm late on this but I have 2 things to say:

1) Why is this leaking out now?
2) GTFO out of town you effin' loser Spezza.  Grow a Cussing pair or go somewhere like Florida where no one will give a Dung.

sandysensfan wrote:
He is not a defensive gem, never will be.  But a point a game player over his career and in the playoffs, it's going to be hard to replace his points.  You win games by stopping pucks, but you have to put them in the other net as well.  With everyone playing up a level, depending on the return for Spezza of course, it won't be as easy next season...

He gives up as many(actually more looking at his +/-) points as he gets.  What good is that?

He plays his own game and doesn't really adapt to any system a coach proposes.  How do you win with your captain doing his own thing and everyone basically has to cover his Donkey? And if he diddles up it's their fault for not covering his Donkey?

He can't handle any kind of criticism from the fans in Ottawa, while harsh is nothing compared to other markets.  Grow a Cussing pair.

He's not going to be PPG for much longer given his age, more so given his injury history and back problems.  He's already declined given that Turris took his role as #1C.  Remember when Spezza was a defacto #1C? Wasn't too long ago ....

Bottom line he is not a good fit for what MacLean is trying to build here.  You could replace the coach but the kind of loose pond hockey that he plays isn't a recipe for success in today's NHL. Even if Spezza was a good overall player the Sens have to decide what kind of team they want to have and acquire the proper players. Not every player, even the talented ones will be a good fit. Stop trying to shove a square peg into a round hole.

sandysensfan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Also Sandy if you don't believe most of that blame came from MacLean and other players (like MacArthur who basically called out Spezza short of mentioning his name) then I am not sure what else I can say to you.  

Might be time to admit you bet on the wrong horse.

You don't like him, I get that..

He is not a defensive gem, never will be.  But a point a game player over his career and in the playoffs, it's going to be hard to replace his points.  You win games by stopping pucks, but you have to put them in the other net as well.  With everyone playing up a level, depending on the return for Spezza of course, it won't be as easy next season...

And what has Spezza done in the past 5 years in the playoffs that helped the Sens win games? Last year without Spezza was the best results this team had in the playoffs. What do you say about that?
Playing a TEAM game is more important than putting or giving up goals. Leadership, hard work, defensive commitment, smart plays at the the right time etc. In fact he is only good at 1 thing and no Stanley cup winning team will ever have a player like him on it.

What this team needs is actually someone like Mike Richards but it's so impossible.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Or someone suggested sharp + leddy for Spezza, but clearly that's too little from us.  Diddle I'd love sharp.  There are those rumours he doesn't fit in there, I'd love to have him here and Chicago was a 2c away from making the final IMO.  

Please.

ya, sharp would be great here. doubt it happens though.

gotta love how it feels a deal will finally happen. can't wait to be rid of him, only hope the return is a little higher then what's been discussed lately on here... would like someone better then berglund.

Why do you say that about berglund?

not that berglund is bad but i would like someone more promising back or that bring a style of play that could help us a lot in the long run. say DSP

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Or someone suggested sharp + leddy for Spezza, but clearly that's too little from us.  Diddle I'd love sharp.  There are those rumours he doesn't fit in there, I'd love to have him here and Chicago was a 2c away from making the final IMO.  

Please.

ya, sharp would be great here. doubt it happens though.

gotta love how it feels a deal will finally happen. can't wait to be rid of him, only hope the return is a little higher then what's been discussed lately on here... would like someone better then berglund.

Why do you say that about berglund?

not that berglund is bad but i would like someone more promising back or that bring a style of play that could help us a lot in the long run. say DSP

DSP would be solid but if you are looking for a guy that can come in and play a top 6 role right away up the middle that's Berglund without a doubt.   You have to be careful to weigh out the risk vs helping the team now options.  You won't get a super star back (not giving one up either) but you can get a potential game breaker in a decent deal.

LeKing wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Also Sandy if you don't believe most of that blame came from MacLean and other players (like MacArthur who basically called out Spezza short of mentioning his name) then I am not sure what else I can say to you.  

Might be time to admit you bet on the wrong horse.

You don't like him, I get that..

He is not a defensive gem, never will be.  But a point a game player over his career and in the playoffs, it's going to be hard to replace his points.  You win games by stopping pucks, but you have to put them in the other net as well.  With everyone playing up a level, depending on the return for Spezza of course, it won't be as easy next season...

And what has Spezza done in the past 5 years in the playoffs that helped the Sens win games? Last year without Spezza was the best results this team had in the playoffs. What do you say about that?
Playing a TEAM game is more important than putting or giving up goals. Leadership, hard work, defensive commitment, smart plays at the the right time etc. In fact he is only good at 1 thing and no Stanley cup winning team will ever have a player like him on it.

Are you sure about that?

Yaaaaah, that's pushing it with Spezza.  No Stanley Cup winning team will ever have Spezza as captain or the #1 center but any player of any skill set whether you like him, love him, or are indifferent can play on a cup winning team and contribute.

Spezza is going to a team that has a chance at winning a cup, he could be a player that puts a team over the top but he could also be a guy that has so many bad habits already he might cost them or might not fit in.  We'll see.

As for Spezza and the Sens this has been a long time coming and better late then never.  Sens are building around speed and character along with some skill on the blueline and up front... it's going to be exciting the next year or two and beyond.  I can take losing with an obvious direction and a plan from the coach and managment. Last year was awful because they were trying to be something they weren't and couldn't be and that mostly is on Spezza because he refuses to play the team game or buy into the team concept.

Murray going out and getting a ton of pieces or the best possible player IMO is a mistake... you are building a team and he needs the right piece coming back and IMO that's a power forward.  DPS, Ritchie (from Dallas), Stewart from Buffalo (wouldn't be a Spezza trade), those are the guys that if they break out or find consistency you will never find in a trade again short of shipping off another star.  Sens need a legit PF in the worst way.

NEELY wrote:
Murray going out and getting a ton of pieces or the best possible player IMO is a mistake... you are building a team and he needs the right piece coming back and IMO that's a power forward.  DPS, Ritchie (from Dallas), Stewart from Buffalo (wouldn't be a Spezza trade), those are the guys that if they break out or find consistency you will never find in a trade again short of shipping off another star.  Sens need a legit PF in the worst way.

My personal thought on a power forward is that you want that player to be a winger, ideally. Once Spezza is dealt, you still need to somehow find a Center with skill, speed and defensive awareness as well as that power forward. You won't get both in a Spezza trade so another trade or UFA signing will have to follow.

I think they will be grabbing a UFA center who can score 50-60 points, play 200 feet, and fill in on the 2nd or 3rd line.  Who will that be?  Not sure but there are a few out there.  The guy a few people have brought up who I am not crazy about Grabovski.  Is he a guy I really like?  Yes and no, I always thought he was a solid player for the Leafs and did a lot of little things right.  He is also a guy you can sign to a MacArthur type deal and perhaps would like to stick it to the two teams who gave up on him, Montreal and Toronto.  To me that's a move that makes a ton of sense.

The guy I think they are really expecting to take the next step forward is Zibanejad.  The messages were sent loud and clear last year by the organization to him and hopefully it has carried over to this season in terms of what he needs to do to be successful.  Huge year for him.  Da Costa is a guy that might get his big chance as well with the PP needing someone with his skill set and a guy that has the potential to be a big time point producer.  Not a make or break year for Zibanejad at all, for Da Costa it will be.

As for the trade for a power forward, you are absolutely correct that he has to be a winger.  There's a specific job they need to do and it can only be done from the wing.  DSP, Ritchie from Dal (potential to be one), Stewart from Buffalo, there are some out there.  We'll see what Spezza brings back in 2 weeks or less. 

On the same note if they do get their pick back from Anaheim, Virtanen is 100% the player I would like in that spot.

Berglund is 6'4", 220, loves to stand in front of goalies on the pp, 200 foot player, good for 50 points and at least 20 goals, more if the Sens use him in a top 6 capacity.

So there's one of your big, responsible, young forwards right there IMO.

I also think St. Louis can suck it and send us sobotka as well, maybe instead of the 1st or rattie.

Dude plays the game the way we want, is left handed and doesn't lose many draws.

Send stlouis Condra as well if you must.