Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion

spader wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:it would take ROR to get spezza from colorado. unfortunetly if they part with stastny they won't part with ROR. i doubt there's much else they'd be able to give up that we'd want. they're keeping all their young players that we'd want.

They may not have a choice about Stastny. If he's gone, they'll need a center and may have to part with a talented player to get him.

ROR's and Stastny's rights would definitely be a start (ROR is RFA, right?).

SpezDispenser wrote:

spader wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:it would take ROR to get spezza from colorado. unfortunetly if they part with stastny they won't part with ROR. i doubt there's much else they'd be able to give up that we'd want. they're keeping all their young players that we'd want.

They may not have a choice about Stastny. If he's gone, they'll need a center and may have to part with a talented player to get him.

ROR's and Stastny's rights would definitely be a start (ROR is RFA, right?).

  ROR for Spezza.  In what world would a team do that?

LeKing wrote:McArthur - Turris - Stone
Berglund - Stastny - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Stewart
Greening - Smith - Neil
Lazar

tim1_2 wrote:Everything (UFA signings) hinges on that Spezza trade and the return we get for him.

sandysensfan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:anyone heard this morning macguire the validity of the rumors about spezza? I think it's pretty much a question of time that this guy is gone. why some people have a problem wrapping their heads around that is beyond me.

Pierre McGuire has said numerous times that it will be a mistake for the Sens to trade Spezza...

wprager wrote:Why would Stastny want to come to Ottawa?  

spader wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

spader wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:it would take ROR to get spezza from colorado. unfortunetly if they part with stastny they won't part with ROR. i doubt there's much else they'd be able to give up that we'd want. they're keeping all their young players that we'd want.

They may not have a choice about Stastny. If he's gone, they'll need a center and may have to part with a talented player to get him.

ROR's and Stastny's rights would definitely be a start (ROR is RFA, right?).

  ROR for Spezza.  In what world would a team do that?

As I said, if they feel they have a need for another center, they think about it. ROR is RFA and they've had difficulty getting him signed in the past. If he had term, I'd agree with you, but it's a different story if he's RFA and they can't agree on money.

sandysensfan wrote:

LeKing wrote:McArthur - Turris - Stone
Berglund - Stastny - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Stewart
Greening - Smith - Neil
Lazar

Hate to bust your bubble.. but Stastny is not coming to Ottawa.  If you think Ottawa can outbid other teams that will definitely be in the running for him.. then you are missing the point of the f'in budget.  He made 6.6M last season and will most likely want a raise.  He would also want to go to a team that is a contender or on the rise.  Ottawa is neither of these... they are re-building.  He may just stay in Colorado..

sandysensfan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:anyone heard this morning macguire the validity of the rumors about spezza? I think it's pretty much a question of time that this guy is gone. why some people have a problem wrapping their heads around that is beyond me.

Pierre McGuire has said numerous times that it will be a mistake for the Sens to trade Spezza...

SpezDispenser wrote:

spader wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:it would take ROR to get spezza from colorado. unfortunetly if they part with stastny they won't part with ROR. i doubt there's much else they'd be able to give up that we'd want. they're keeping all their young players that we'd want.

They may not have a choice about Stastny. If he's gone, they'll need a center and may have to part with a talented player to get him.

ROR's and Stastny's rights would definitely be a start (ROR is RFA, right?).

  ROR for Spezza.  In what world would a team do that?

NEELY wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

LeKing wrote:McArthur - Turris - Stone
Berglund - Stastny - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Stewart
Greening - Smith - Neil
Lazar

Hate to bust your bubble.. but Stastny is not coming to Ottawa.  If you think Ottawa can outbid other teams that will definitely be in the running for him.. then you are missing the point of the f'in budget.  He made 6.6M last season and will most likely want a raise.  He would also want to go to a team that is a contender or on the rise.  Ottawa is neither of these... they are re-building.  He may just stay in Colorado..

Is there a repeat button?  Stop bringing that sens chirp forum BS please because there are people here who actually have an idea of what they are talking about.

Stastny is 100% the Sens biggest target in the off season and are willing to pay money for him.  I actually know this as fact.  Also what do you believe Dorion meant when he said "the Sens will be busy on UFA day"?  There won't be many if any trades happening that day so...

NEELY wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

LeKing wrote:McArthur - Turris - Stone
Berglund - Stastny - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Stewart
Greening - Smith - Neil
Lazar

Hate to bust your bubble.. but Stastny is not coming to Ottawa.  If you think Ottawa can outbid other teams that will definitely be in the running for him.. then you are missing the point of the f'in budget.  He made 6.6M last season and will most likely want a raise.  He would also want to go to a team that is a contender or on the rise.  Ottawa is neither of these... they are re-building.  He may just stay in Colorado..

Is there a repeat button?  Stop bringing that sens chirp forum BS please because there are people here who actually have an idea of what they are talking about.

Stastny is 100% the Sens biggest target in the off season and are willing to pay money for him.  I actually know this as fact.  Also what do you believe Dorion meant when he said "the Sens will be busy on UFA day"?  There won't be many if any trades happening that day so...

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:Why would Stastny want to come to Ottawa?  

Because Ottawa might offer him 50 million dollars.

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:Why would Stastny want to come to Ottawa?  

Because Ottawa might offer him 50 million dollars.

To play with the most dynamic Dman in the game?

sandysensfan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:anyone heard this morning macguire the validity of the rumors about spezza? I think it's pretty much a question of time that this guy is gone. why some people have a problem wrapping their heads around that is beyond me.

Pierre McGuire has said numerous times that it will be a mistake for the Sens to trade Spezza...

In a blistering post-mortem, captain Pat Verbeek called McGuire's firing the best thing that could have happened to the Whalers. He said other teams mocked their coach. He said his own teammates had no respect for McGuire. He said a number of players wouldn't have wanted to play in Hartford anymore.

Is Verbeek telling the truth?

It sure looks that way.

Every player and every non-skating member of the Whalers does not have the financial luxury or the courage to speak on the record as Verbeek and Sean Burke have. But in the past six weeks, we spoke to no fewer than 20 people --from all areas of the organization. The support for McGuire was almost nonexistent. It turns out that it wasn't only the players. It was almost everybody. And once owner Richard Gordon was convinced of the facts, McGuire was out.

We said he was headstrong.

McGuire has insisted that if he had pulled a few different strings during the Buffalo nightclub mess -- such as making it clear about a disputed curfew -- there would have been no problems. But Verbeek and Holmgren say the Buffalo affair merely was the cap on a bubbling bottle of discontent.

In a May 3 meeting with Holmgren, it was made clear to McGuire that he must talk to a number of players to clear up obvious problems. But in two weeks, McGuire spoke only to Sean Burke.

We said McGuire was overemotional.

When the hallway curtain opened after a loss in Boston, McGuire was found by the media wildly smashing sticks against the wall. When the door opened after a loss in Pittsburgh, McGuire was seen knocking furniture around the coach's room.

We said he was full of himself.

Many times he privately said after a game how he outcoached the other guy. But it was something never really made public until May 3, when McGuire proclaimed that no coach in the NHL "can outwit me.'' That quote ran in The Hockey News and raised eyebrows all over the NHL.

His fascination with trying to outwit the other coach may hurt the Whalers in the long run. Instead of playing kids such as Robert Petrovicky or Kevin Smyth long after it was apparent the team was out of the playoff race, McGuire would fastidiously match lines, go with aging veterans and make sure certain faceoff alignments were always followed. Instead of development, he seemed just to want to squeeze out two points.

Once when he was an assistant coach, McGuire bragged about his strategy to shut down Mario Lemieux. This was after a 7-3 loss and four goals by Kevin Stevens.

On the bench, players said McGuire would taunt the other team, saying he couldn't believe the opposing coach was allowing him certain line matchups. This braggadocio led Pittsburgh's Jaromir Jagr to mock McGuire in December. McGuire got Jagr for an illegal stick, and after Jagr jumped out of the penalty box, he scored on a breakaway. Although he had scored big goals in two Stanley Cup championships, Jagr called this overtime goal the biggest of his life because he humbled "that know-it-all."

wprager wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:anyone heard this morning macguire the validity of the rumors about spezza? I think it's pretty much a question of time that this guy is gone. why some people have a problem wrapping their heads around that is beyond me.

Pierre McGuire has said numerous times that it will be a mistake for the Sens to trade Spezza...

http://articles.courant.com/1994-05-21/sports/9405210429_1_pierre-mcguire-whalers-general-manager-paul-holmgren

In a blistering post-mortem, captain Pat Verbeek called McGuire's firing the best thing that could have happened to the Whalers. He said other teams mocked their coach. He said his own teammates had no respect for McGuire. He said a number of players wouldn't have wanted to play in Hartford anymore.

Is Verbeek telling the truth?

It sure looks that way.

Every player and every non-skating member of the Whalers does not have the financial luxury or the courage to speak on the record as Verbeek and Sean Burke have. But in the past six weeks, we spoke to no fewer than 20 people --from all areas of the organization. The support for McGuire was almost nonexistent. It turns out that it wasn't only the players. It was almost everybody. And once owner Richard Gordon was convinced of the facts, McGuire was out.

We said he was headstrong.

McGuire has insisted that if he had pulled a few different strings during the Buffalo nightclub mess -- such as making it clear about a disputed curfew -- there would have been no problems. But Verbeek and Holmgren say the Buffalo affair merely was the cap on a bubbling bottle of discontent.

In a May 3 meeting with Holmgren, it was made clear to McGuire that he must talk to a number of players to clear up obvious problems. But in two weeks, McGuire spoke only to Sean Burke.

We said McGuire was overemotional.

When the hallway curtain opened after a loss in Boston, McGuire was found by the media wildly smashing sticks against the wall. When the door opened after a loss in Pittsburgh, McGuire was seen knocking furniture around the coach's room.

We said he was full of himself.

Many times he privately said after a game how he outcoached the other guy. But it was something never really made public until May 3, when McGuire proclaimed that no coach in the NHL "can outwit me.'' That quote ran in The Hockey News and raised eyebrows all over the NHL.

His fascination with trying to outwit the other coach may hurt the Whalers in the long run. Instead of playing kids such as Robert Petrovicky or Kevin Smyth long after it was apparent the team was out of the playoff race, McGuire would fastidiously match lines, go with aging veterans and make sure certain faceoff alignments were always followed. Instead of development, he seemed just to want to squeeze out two points.

Once when he was an assistant coach, McGuire bragged about his strategy to shut down Mario Lemieux. This was after a 7-3 loss and four goals by Kevin Stevens.

On the bench, players said McGuire would taunt the other team, saying he couldn't believe the opposing coach was allowing him certain line matchups. This braggadocio led Pittsburgh's Jaromir Jagr to mock McGuire in December. McGuire got Jagr for an illegal stick, and after Jagr jumped out of the penalty box, he scored on a breakaway. Although he had scored big goals in two Stanley Cup championships, Jagr called this overtime goal the biggest of his life because he humbled "that know-it-all."

 

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