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406Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 5:30 pm

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sandysensfan wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:anyone heard this morning macguire the validity of the rumors about spezza? I think it's pretty much a question of time that this guy is gone. why some people have a problem wrapping their heads around that is beyond me.

Pierre McGuire has said numerous times that it will be a mistake for the Sens to trade Spezza...

http://articles.courant.com/1994-05-21/sports/9405210429_1_pierre-mcguire-whalers-general-manager-paul-holmgren

In a blistering post-mortem, captain Pat Verbeek called McGuire's firing the best thing that could have happened to the Whalers. He said other teams mocked their coach. He said his own teammates had no respect for McGuire. He said a number of players wouldn't have wanted to play in Hartford anymore.

Is Verbeek telling the truth?

It sure looks that way.

Every player and every non-skating member of the Whalers does not have the financial luxury or the courage to speak on the record as Verbeek and Sean Burke have. But in the past six weeks, we spoke to no fewer than 20 people --from all areas of the organization. The support for McGuire was almost nonexistent. It turns out that it wasn't only the players. It was almost everybody. And once owner Richard Gordon was convinced of the facts, McGuire was out.

We said he was headstrong.

McGuire has insisted that if he had pulled a few different strings during the Buffalo nightclub mess -- such as making it clear about a disputed curfew -- there would have been no problems. But Verbeek and Holmgren say the Buffalo affair merely was the cap on a bubbling bottle of discontent.

In a May 3 meeting with Holmgren, it was made clear to McGuire that he must talk to a number of players to clear up obvious problems. But in two weeks, McGuire spoke only to Sean Burke.

We said McGuire was overemotional.

When the hallway curtain opened after a loss in Boston, McGuire was found by the media wildly smashing sticks against the wall. When the door opened after a loss in Pittsburgh, McGuire was seen knocking furniture around the coach's room.

We said he was full of himself.

Many times he privately said after a game how he outcoached the other guy. But it was something never really made public until May 3, when McGuire proclaimed that no coach in the NHL "can outwit me.'' That quote ran in The Hockey News and raised eyebrows all over the NHL.

His fascination with trying to outwit the other coach may hurt the Whalers in the long run. Instead of playing kids such as Robert Petrovicky or Kevin Smyth long after it was apparent the team was out of the playoff race, McGuire would fastidiously match lines, go with aging veterans and make sure certain faceoff alignments were always followed. Instead of development, he seemed just to want to squeeze out two points.

Once when he was an assistant coach, McGuire bragged about his strategy to shut down Mario Lemieux. This was after a 7-3 loss and four goals by Kevin Stevens.

On the bench, players said McGuire would taunt the other team, saying he couldn't believe the opposing coach was allowing him certain line matchups. This braggadocio led Pittsburgh's Jaromir Jagr to mock McGuire in December. McGuire got Jagr for an illegal stick, and after Jagr jumped out of the penalty box, he scored on a breakaway. Although he had scored big goals in two Stanley Cup championships, Jagr called this overtime goal the biggest of his life because he humbled "that know-it-all."


It goes on for another page.

407Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 5:51 pm

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wprager wrote:
sandysensfan wrote:
Flo The Action wrote:anyone heard this morning macguire the validity of the rumors about spezza? I think it's pretty much a question of time that this guy is gone. why some people have a problem wrapping their heads around that is beyond me.

Pierre McGuire has said numerous times that it will be a mistake for the Sens to trade Spezza...

http://articles.courant.com/1994-05-21/sports/9405210429_1_pierre-mcguire-whalers-general-manager-paul-holmgren

In a blistering post-mortem, captain Pat Verbeek called McGuire's firing the best thing that could have happened to the Whalers. He said other teams mocked their coach. He said his own teammates had no respect for McGuire. He said a number of players wouldn't have wanted to play in Hartford anymore.

Is Verbeek telling the truth?

It sure looks that way.

Every player and every non-skating member of the Whalers does not have the financial luxury or the courage to speak on the record as Verbeek and Sean Burke have. But in the past six weeks, we spoke to no fewer than 20 people --from all areas of the organization. The support for McGuire was almost nonexistent. It turns out that it wasn't only the players. It was almost everybody. And once owner Richard Gordon was convinced of the facts, McGuire was out.

We said he was headstrong.

McGuire has insisted that if he had pulled a few different strings during the Buffalo nightclub mess -- such as making it clear about a disputed curfew -- there would have been no problems. But Verbeek and Holmgren say the Buffalo affair merely was the cap on a bubbling bottle of discontent.

In a May 3 meeting with Holmgren, it was made clear to McGuire that he must talk to a number of players to clear up obvious problems. But in two weeks, McGuire spoke only to Sean Burke.

We said McGuire was overemotional.

When the hallway curtain opened after a loss in Boston, McGuire was found by the media wildly smashing sticks against the wall. When the door opened after a loss in Pittsburgh, McGuire was seen knocking furniture around the coach's room.

We said he was full of himself.

Many times he privately said after a game how he outcoached the other guy. But it was something never really made public until May 3, when McGuire proclaimed that no coach in the NHL "can outwit me.'' That quote ran in The Hockey News and raised eyebrows all over the NHL.

His fascination with trying to outwit the other coach may hurt the Whalers in the long run. Instead of playing kids such as Robert Petrovicky or Kevin Smyth long after it was apparent the team was out of the playoff race, McGuire would fastidiously match lines, go with aging veterans and make sure certain faceoff alignments were always followed. Instead of development, he seemed just to want to squeeze out two points.

Once when he was an assistant coach, McGuire bragged about his strategy to shut down Mario Lemieux. This was after a 7-3 loss and four goals by Kevin Stevens.

On the bench, players said McGuire would taunt the other team, saying he couldn't believe the opposing coach was allowing him certain line matchups. This braggadocio led Pittsburgh's Jaromir Jagr to mock McGuire in December. McGuire got Jagr for an illegal stick, and after Jagr jumped out of the penalty box, he scored on a breakaway. Although he had scored big goals in two Stanley Cup championships, Jagr called this overtime goal the biggest of his life because he humbled "that know-it-all."

 

It goes on for another page.
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yeah, clearly a fool.

the thing with this guy that sandy and many like her don't seem to get is that as a sportscaster he won't publicly diss players anymore because it could possibly harm is credentials. he'll keep padding the egos and namedrop until something happens and then whistle whatever tune adapting it with insight.

it's useless if your trying to get inside information on players from him, useless.

408Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 5:54 pm

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Who was it that openly mocked McGuire from the bench? It was a goalie, and I think it was Dallas.

This would be a good opportunity to get me back for all the lmgtfy links I post.  Sarcasm 

409Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 6:07 pm

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410Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 6:09 pm

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Haha of course it'd be turco

411Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 7:11 pm

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Wasn't exactly mocking, to be honest.

By the way, personally, I don't mind McGuire at all (except for when he called the Sens fans out on being "provincial"). The way he speaks is just the way he speaks. He name drops, for sure, but that doesn't stop it from being true that he had lunch with so-and-so, and dinner at this guy's and so on. He has a memory like a steel trap and he does know a ton of players/prospects and he does have connections.

Sure, he was an abrasive little know-it-all pr1ck when he was younger, but most of us here were like that at some point. We just didn't get a newspaper article written about it.

Also, apparently the Penguins want him for their GM position.


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412Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 7:18 pm

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I don't mind him either really. I think he's living in the past a bit though.

I'll believe the pens rumour when he's hired.

413Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 7:50 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:I don't mind him either really.  I think he's living in the past a bit though.

I'll believe the pens rumour when he's hired.  

Rumors are flying everywhere, being picked up by lots of legit sources. But also saying he may not interview.


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414Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 8:09 pm

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sandysensfan wrote:
NEELY wrote:
sandysensfan wrote:
LeKing wrote:McArthur - Turris - Stone
Berglund - Stastny - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Stewart
Greening - Smith - Neil
Lazar

Hate to bust your bubble.. but Stastny is not coming to Ottawa.  If you think Ottawa can outbid other teams that will definitely be in the running for him.. then you are missing the point of the f'in budget.  He made 6.6M last season and will most likely want a raise.  He would also want to go to a team that is a contender or on the rise.  Ottawa is neither of these... they are re-building.  He may just stay in Colorado..

Is there a repeat button?  Stop bringing that sens chirp forum BS please because there are people here who actually have an idea of what they are talking about.

Stastny is 100% the Sens biggest target in the off season and are willing to pay money for him.  I actually know this as fact.  Also what do you believe Dorion meant when he said "the Sens will be busy on UFA day"?  There won't be many if any trades happening that day so...

This is not Senschirp forum BS. It's my thoughts. Believe it or not I do have the ability to think for myself.  You may not agree with my opinions but they are mine alone.  I'm just being realistic.  He will be the prime target for UFA centre available this offseason by many teams.  Do you really think the Sens would be at the top of his list?  A team on a budget - have captains in successive seasons jump ship?  NO.  He won't be coming to Ottawa.  Now that's not saying they will not try but to get him they will have to overpay by a large amount over what other teams are offering and what will that do to the contracts for Ryan & MacArthur?  

It would certainly make a difference in the Sens season next year but I just don't see it happening.

Guess what? With MacArthur and Ryan being UFA they are going to have to show they are willing to spend money to win too. Guess how they do that? By signing a big time UFA.

As for the teams going after Stastny willing to offer him 7 mil. How many are there that have the cap and funds available? 2 teams from my count, Sens and Blues. Maybe you can make an argument for Dallas and Phoenix but that's about it.

415Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 8:21 pm

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NEELY wrote:
sandysensfan wrote:
NEELY wrote:
sandysensfan wrote:
LeKing wrote:McArthur - Turris - Stone
Berglund - Stastny - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Stewart
Greening - Smith - Neil
Lazar

Hate to bust your bubble.. but Stastny is not coming to Ottawa.  If you think Ottawa can outbid other teams that will definitely be in the running for him.. then you are missing the point of the f'in budget.  He made 6.6M last season and will most likely want a raise.  He would also want to go to a team that is a contender or on the rise.  Ottawa is neither of these... they are re-building.  He may just stay in Colorado..

Is there a repeat button?  Stop bringing that sens chirp forum BS please because there are people here who actually have an idea of what they are talking about.

Stastny is 100% the Sens biggest target in the off season and are willing to pay money for him.  I actually know this as fact.  Also what do you believe Dorion meant when he said "the Sens will be busy on UFA day"?  There won't be many if any trades happening that day so...

This is not Senschirp forum BS. It's my thoughts. Believe it or not I do have the ability to think for myself.  You may not agree with my opinions but they are mine alone.  I'm just being realistic.  He will be the prime target for UFA centre available this offseason by many teams.  Do you really think the Sens would be at the top of his list?  A team on a budget - have captains in successive seasons jump ship?  NO.  He won't be coming to Ottawa.  Now that's not saying they will not try but to get him they will have to overpay by a large amount over what other teams are offering and what will that do to the contracts for Ryan & MacArthur?  

It would certainly make a difference in the Sens season next year but I just don't see it happening.

Guess what?  With MacArthur and Ryan being UFA they are going to have to show they are willing to spend money to win too.  Guess how they do that?  By signing a big time UFA.

As for the teams going after Stastny willing to offer him 7 mil.  How many are there that have the cap and funds available?  2 teams from my count, Sens and Blues.  Maybe you can make an argument for Dallas and Phoenix but that's about it.  

So say it does come down to the same amount of $$ and term being offered by both the Sens and the Blues -- if you were Stastny.. what team would you pick?

416Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 8:28 pm

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Blues, but it costs them less to go after Spezza.

Stastny probably won't come here when it's all said and done but to say the Sens aren't a team on the rise is false.

417Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 8:31 pm

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Without looking I'm surprised the blues can afford him.

418Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 8:33 pm

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Why would we suddenly not be on the rise? All good teams have a setback like we did.

419Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 9:05 pm

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McGuire as the pens GM? amazing... i truly hope that happens. would love to watch that team go down the drain. make it so.

420Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 9:17 pm

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sandysensfan wrote:
NEELY wrote:
sandysensfan wrote:
NEELY wrote:
sandysensfan wrote:
LeKing wrote:McArthur - Turris - Stone
Berglund - Stastny - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Stewart
Greening - Smith - Neil
Lazar

Hate to bust your bubble.. but Stastny is not coming to Ottawa.  If you think Ottawa can outbid other teams that will definitely be in the running for him.. then you are missing the point of the f'in budget.  He made 6.6M last season and will most likely want a raise.  He would also want to go to a team that is a contender or on the rise.  Ottawa is neither of these... they are re-building.  He may just stay in Colorado..

Is there a repeat button?  Stop bringing that sens chirp forum BS please because there are people here who actually have an idea of what they are talking about.

Stastny is 100% the Sens biggest target in the off season and are willing to pay money for him.  I actually know this as fact.  Also what do you believe Dorion meant when he said "the Sens will be busy on UFA day"?  There won't be many if any trades happening that day so...

This is not Senschirp forum BS. It's my thoughts. Believe it or not I do have the ability to think for myself.  You may not agree with my opinions but they are mine alone.  I'm just being realistic.  He will be the prime target for UFA centre available this offseason by many teams.  Do you really think the Sens would be at the top of his list?  A team on a budget - have captains in successive seasons jump ship?  NO.  He won't be coming to Ottawa.  Now that's not saying they will not try but to get him they will have to overpay by a large amount over what other teams are offering and what will that do to the contracts for Ryan & MacArthur?  

It would certainly make a difference in the Sens season next year but I just don't see it happening.

Guess what?  With MacArthur and Ryan being UFA they are going to have to show they are willing to spend money to win too.  Guess how they do that?  By signing a big time UFA.

As for the teams going after Stastny willing to offer him 7 mil.  How many are there that have the cap and funds available?  2 teams from my count, Sens and Blues.  Maybe you can make an argument for Dallas and Phoenix but that's about it.  

So say it does come down to the same amount of $$ and term being offered by both the Sens and the Blues --  if you were Stastny.. what team would you pick?

Who knows... I'm not him. Depends what he wants, playing in his home town could be both a good thing and a bad thing so...

421Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 9:53 pm

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Spezza to St.Louis rumors really starting to heat up. Stastny might not even be offered a contract by St.Louis.

422Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion - Page 28 Empty Re: Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion Wed May 21, 2014 10:10 pm

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Where are these rumours? And do we really want Berglund? Again, horrible in the playoffs.

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