Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion

Seriously, remove Spezza, Michalek, and Hemsky and that's what?  14 mil right there... even if they stay at par in what they spend that's a lot of money to spend period. Anyways, w/e, Spezza thread!

How can anyone say oshie + for Spezza. Why would they do that?

SpezDispenser wrote:How can anyone say oshie + for Spezza.  Why would they do that?

Because Oshie has never hit 20 goals? lol.  Blues need scoring if they are going with Elliott and Allen and Spezza provides that.  I like Oshie a lot but his value is no where near that of Spezza's and the Sens won't be giving Spezza away.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:How can anyone say oshie + for Spezza.  Why would they do that?

Because Oshie has never hit 20 goals? lol.  Blues need scoring if they are going with Elliott and Allen and Spezza provides that.  I like Oshie a lot but his value is no where near that of Spezza's and the Sens won't be giving Spezza away.

That's a 60 point, crowd favourite, all American boy. Hard to imagine they'd let him go without Spezza being extended.

My offer would be berglund, rattle and a 1st if I was St. Louis.

Fair offer but you can get a better deal than that from Anaheim, Dallas, Phoenix, Nashville, and probably a few other teams.  Anaheim has the 10th overall which could be a deal breaker, Dallar and Phoenix have a ton of prospects and roster players with potential and higher draft picks...

I wouldn't trade Spezza to St.Louis unless it was Oshie or better coming back to be honest, the idea is to make the Sens better, not to help the Blues. 

As for St.Louis they can have all the hard working players who play 200 feet they want, they need a guy who can score and help others score.  Oshie is a crowd favorite for sure but he's expendable in St.Louis in a big way.  It's probably a good thing fans don't make decisions and they won't be making them in St.Louis either.

PLus I already have an Oshie jersey since 2010

NEELY wrote:Seriously, remove Spezza, Michalek, and Hemsky and that's what?  14 mil right there... even if they stay at par in what they spend that's a lot of money to spend period. Anyways, w/e, Spezza thread!

Out of that $14M you need to take out Lehner's raise, Gryba's raise, perhaps Hoffman's, then there's Borowiecki's one-way and DaCosta is an RFA. Lehner is a "for-sure". Gryba is either here or replaced by someone more expensive (Boyle?) Borowiecki is on a one-way so unless he's traded he is another "for-sure".

NEELY wrote:Fair offer but you can get a better deal than that from Anaheim, Dallas, Phoenix, Nashville, and probably a few other teams.  Anaheim has the 10th overall which could be a deal breaker, Dallar and Phoenix have a ton of prospects and roster players with potential and higher draft picks...

I wouldn't trade Spezza to St.Louis unless it was Oshie or better coming back to be honest, the idea is to make the Sens better, not to help the Blues. 

As for St.Louis they can have all the hard working players who play 200 feet they want, they need a guy who can score and help others score.  Oshie is a crowd favorite for sure but he's expendable in St.Louis in a big way.  It's probably a good thing fans don't make decisions and they won't be making them in St.Louis either.

The only reason I could see this happening is because of what you stated, they have so many average offensively players who have 'heart' and too few actual offensive players, but that's a risky trade without Spezza agreeing to an extension.

We'll see but if they are trading Spezza they need an established player coming back in some form.

NEELY wrote:We'll see but if they are trading Spezza they need an established player coming back in some form.

Then we need to re-sign Spezza pretty much now. 5 years, 35 million so we can start getting serious. If we trade him as a pending UFA, we'll get a package like the Berglund, Rattie, 1st and that's that.

The thought keeps coming to me that Anaheim and Ottawa have had long discussions about Ryan and co. and I imagine they have a pretty solid feel for each other's wants. Maybe the groundwork is all but done for a deal there.

SpezDispenser wrote:The thought keeps coming to me that Anaheim and Ottawa have had long discussions about Ryan and co. and I imagine they have a pretty solid feel for each other's wants.  Maybe the groundwork is all but done for a deal there.

Maybe and that's why St.Louis will need to blow Ottawa out of the water with an offer.

I also think Murray will further investigate the offers he got at the deadline for Greening. I don't know if we need a 4th liner making 2.65 as much as I like his speed and his hitting.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:We'll see but if they are trading Spezza they need an established player coming back in some form.

Then we need to re-sign Spezza pretty much now.  5 years, 35 million so we can start getting serious.  If we trade him as a pending UFA, we'll get a package like the Berglund, Rattie, 1st and that's that.

Can anyone think of an example of a star player with only one year remaining getting traded? I'd love to compare similar situations.

Martin St-Louis a couple months ago. Callahan and a 1st.

LeKing wrote:Martin St-Louis a couple months ago. Callahan and a 1st.

Of course. I knew there was one recently.

DSP and the 10th from the Ducks. Does that do it?

Oshie and St. Louis's 1st. Does that do it?

I have no idea what Nashville would give up that the Sens would want. Who else have we mentioned on here? Dallas? Phoenix? Anyone have proposals for those teams?

spader wrote:

LeKing wrote:Martin St-Louis a couple months ago. Callahan and a 1st.

Of course. I knew there was one recently.

DSP and the 10th from the Ducks. Does that do it?

Oshie and St. Louis's 1st. Does that do it?

I have no idea what Nashville would give up that the Sens would want. Who else have we mentioned on here? Dallas? Phoenix? Anyone have proposals for those teams?

not really comparable. st-louis is at the end of his career and I would of added Vanek as a comparable but it's pretty much accepted that he would walk and sign with minni.
spezza although often injured is entering his 30's and there is a big possibility that he resigns with the team he's sent to.
I think you have a team entertain discussions with spezza before he's traded(not really legal but it happens behind close doors) and then your return is bigger or there's a provision in the deal that kicks in if he's resigned. example: Schwartz, jaskin plus a 1st in 2015 if resigned.

I don't think Spezza will get a contract negotiated with his new team before he his traded.

I think he goes as a "one year rental" for a price around Oshie + 1st.

From the Stars, I would look for Chiasson or Nichuschkin to come back in a Spezza deal.

DSP plus a 10th from the Ducks might be a little low, but I'd consider it. I don't know enough about DSP to be sure.