2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
I'm not going to defend Melnyk.  I've seen his kind before.  My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden.  This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years.  The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy.  No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

It's a venture stock in the pharma industry. Nothing to see here. I agree with W.P. Rager for the first and, likely last, time ever.

A challenge. I accept.

I think Subways should have $5 for *any* footlongs in Canada, just like they do in the U.S.

Flo The Action wrote:

Michallica wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

LeKing wrote:I've never heard Melnyk saiing he "meddles" with hockey ops. In fact, everytime he gets interviewed he always states the opposite.

just listen to the interview he does with mendes. he clearly says he does, pulls out the dictionary definition on top of it as a start to say he doesn't then as he reads it he changes his tune to say he does. because he owns it. it was one of his worst interviews ever.....

That interview was awful, I agree, and I hate anytime melnyk opens his mouth.  That said, I think he made it clear that he doesn't 'meddle' and trusts decisions for hockey personnel with BMurr.  However, he has every right to take part in discussions or keep tabs on what's going on, and i think that's what he was getting at when he took exception to ppl accusing him of 'meddling'.  

Now whether you want to believe him is another story.  Like every boss, he has his favorites....and ultimately most personnel decisions get to money which will involve melnyk either way.  

But, it ENRAGES me when he says things like 'if we kept alfie, there's no way we could have gotten ryan'.  Like....ENRAGE!  

 

you're right, that drunken email he sent to alfie isn't meddling in contract negotiations...
the Cussing man meddles. apparently Kovalev was his as well.
he meddles, meddles alright.

i think they were going to pull the trigger on bobby ryan no matter what he says. they'd been chasing him for l0onger then they'd thought they'd lose alfie. the different is whether they might have gone out after macarthur.

It's all speculation at this point. How do you know he didn't send alfie that drunken email after alfie rejected the sens? The guy wanted $7M, pretty sure melnyk/murray weren't happy with that. I think it boils down to sens playing hardball with alfie and then paying the price. But it's not like melnyk went to murray to hand pick a guy like corvo, or overrule in hockey operation, and that was his point.

And the bobby ryan thing, yes I agree with you. That's why it infuriates me when that bunghole says we wouldn't have gotten ryan if alfie was still there. Diddle you melnyk, you're just leveraging your own position. he bloody well could have had both. The only reason sens pulled that deal on july 5th itself was purely for PR since they were likely going to be pelted with Dung had they not done that trade.

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
I'm not going to defend Melnyk.  I've seen his kind before.  My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden.  This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years.  The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy.  No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

It's a venture stock in the pharma industry. Nothing to see here. I agree with W.P. Rager for the first and, likely last, time ever.

A challenge.  I accept.

I think Subways should have $5 for *any* footlongs in Canada, just like they do in the U.S.

Just say something good about spezza or bad against the red wings, and you will win.

Michallica wrote:
Just say something good about spezza or bad against the red wings, and you will win.

Well here's the interesting part -- I am beginning to seriously doubt that Spezza is going anywhere. His $7M is very important in getting the Sens to their internal budget. If he's moved they will have to take on $7M in rea money, most likely. I mean, what are the chances of finding another $7M (cap) player who is only making $4.5M in actual salary?

Oh, and the Redwings *are* somewhat over-rated. Jimmy Howard is not going to get another shutout against the Bruins.

wprager wrote:

Michallica wrote:
Just say something good about spezza or bad against the red wings, and you will win.

Well here's the interesting part -- I am beginning to seriously doubt that Spezza is going anywhere.  His $7M is very important in getting the Sens to their internal budget.  If he's moved they will have to take on $7M in rea money, most likely.  I mean, what are the chances of finding another $7M (cap) player who is only making $4.5M in actual salary?  

Oh, and the Redwings *are* somewhat over-rated.  Jimmy Howard is not going to get another shutout against the Bruins.

Well one thing they could do is if they value the cap hit so much, maybe cover half the salary since it's only $2M.  I believe they incur half the cap hit too but I could be wrong.  Then spend that other $2M elsewhere.  Cap hit then is $5.5....so not as bad. This way you also open it up to more markets that are really upto the cap limit.

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
I'm not going to defend Melnyk.  I've seen his kind before.  My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden.  This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years.  The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy.  No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

It's a venture stock in the pharma industry. Nothing to see here. I agree with W.P. Rager for the first and, likely last, time ever.

A challenge.  I accept.

I think Subways should have $5 for *any* footlongs in Canada, just like they do in the U.S.

I'm actually pretty happy with the $22 meal they have now.

We'll know pretty much all we need to know about melnyk's spending by training camp.  A lot will be shown July 1st too - mostly in what new contracts are given out to the important pending ufas like Ryan and MacArthur.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
I'm not going to defend Melnyk.  I've seen his kind before.  My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden.  This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years.  The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy.  No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

It's a venture stock in the pharma industry. Nothing to see here. I agree with W.P. Rager for the first and, likely last, time ever.

A challenge.  I accept.

I think Subways should have $5 for *any* footlongs in Canada, just like they do in the U.S.

I'm actually pretty happy with the $22 meal they have now.

My favourite part is that it comes with 12 (!) cookies.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
I'm not going to defend Melnyk.  I've seen his kind before.  My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden.  This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years.  The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy.  No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

It's a venture stock in the pharma industry. Nothing to see here. I agree with W.P. Rager for the first and, likely last, time ever.

A challenge.  I accept.

I think Subways should have $5 for *any* footlongs in Canada, just like they do in the U.S.

I'm actually pretty happy with the $22 meal they have now.

And with four kids who like stubs I have to agree it's a pretty good deal. Still, for a lunch during the work week (we have a Subway's on site) a $5 footlong would be sweet

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
I'm not going to defend Melnyk.  I've seen his kind before.  My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden.  This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years.  The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy.  No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

It's a venture stock in the pharma industry. Nothing to see here. I agree with W.P. Rager for the first and, likely last, time ever.

A challenge.  I accept.

I think Subways should have $5 for *any* footlongs in Canada, just like they do in the U.S.

I'm actually pretty happy with the $22 meal they have now.

And with four kids who like stubs I have to agree it's a pretty good deal. Still, for a lunch during the work week (we have a Subway's on site) a $5 footlong would be sweet

I always assumed that you would see the true value in bringing your own lunch to work, Prags.

How amazing would it be if the sens suck so bad next year we start 14-15 with Lazar and McDavid/Eichel   

LeKing wrote:How amazing would it be if the sens suck so bad next year we start 14-15 with Lazar and McDavid/Eichel   

Honestly I can't see us next year finishing bottom 3. This year was catastrophic and look where we are. Even if we wanted to trade something to get another teams 1st for next year you'd be hard pressed to find a bottom team GM to do it with. Garth Snow will send his pick to Buffalo this year

Just shows you that this year wasn't as bad as the dramatists thought.

Next year we are making the show, no question.

Ev wrote:Just shows you that this year wasn't as bad as the dramatists thought.

Next year we are making the show, no question.

I'll hold making predictions until I see what the summer brings and takes out. So much can happen and so much can go wrong.

LeKing wrote:How amazing would it be if the sens suck so bad next year we start 14-15 with Lazar and McDavid/Eichel   

Better chance we pick up a lottery pick in a trade. Sucking is never amazing either way.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

LeKing wrote:How amazing would it be if the sens suck so bad next year we start 14-15 with Lazar and McDavid/Eichel   

Better chance we pick up a lottery pick in a trade. Sucking is never amazing either way.

who's gonna trade their 1st for next year. certainly not bottom teams like edm, flo, or the NYI...

Eklund posted a spezza to leafs rumor. Buckle up.

2 goals including a beauty shortie for Lazar tonight