2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk

Melnyk is content to hang on to the team, use it to finance his other failing endeavours, and hold the city hostage.

tim1_2 wrote:Melnyk is content to hang on to the team, use it to finance his other failing endeavours, and hold the city hostage.

This year isn't the time to Wing Dang Doodle about Melnyk. What's happened so far? We lost Alfie -- that was bad. We also made a big splash with the Ryan trade (not a move done by someone trying to keep to the floor), and in the past we've given out big $$ to Heatley/Spezza, Kovalev, Gonchar. If you ignore what Melnyk has been saying (which you should) and concentrate on what the team has actually been doing, then what does the situation look like?

And next year they've got $51M and 18 players. Lehner is the only "must-sign" free agent and he will get around $2.5M. Lazar and Boro added to the roster will be at worst a cap-neutral move as they'd be replacing someone making more. Hoffman will re-sign under $1M. They'd be roughly $2M from the internal cap, and that's with Spezza's $7M still on the roster.

If Spezza is moved we will need to add $9M or more to reach the internal cap. That's could be a heck of a upgrade, or re-signing Michalek and upgrading the top-pairing. And I don't think anyone is dreaming of competing for the Cup next season, so spending on rentals is out.

But among everything Melnyk said he also said that of course he'll spend when it's will make a difference, which will be in 2 years or more.

Now, if we don't extend Ryan and lose out best young prospects, replacing them with overpaid 4th liners and tweeners, that's a different story, for a different time. Right now is not the time.

Flo The Action wrote:
not really so. but should that be all we aspire to be?(hey thank god we have a team!) is it all we can hope for? i think the recent tv deal should say otherwise.

if melnyk would sell the team i think they'd be buyers interested in investing more and keeping the franchise in ottawa.

Yeah we have been a budget team for pretty much the entire existence. Melnyk spent to the cap a few times. We faced Leafs teams with twice our payroll in the playoffs before the cap. We're a small market team, those kind of teams in every pro sports league have a disadvantage against big market teams (financially speaking).

It's correct, he has no reason to sell the team(unless someone makes him an offer he can't refuse).

After SensChirp's meltdown I am sick of the whining and budget talk, the budget has increased from the year before and I think they will spend when they're a top contender, or close to it.

We're not the Islanders (now that is cheap).

You can basically look at this year as people saving their venom for Melnyk at a later date. If the time comes where important players start leaving the city then that's when myself and others will jump on board in a big way.

SpezDispenser wrote:Everyone's gonna get better, this is about to be an all put war with every team on the same tier except the best of the best.  

IMO, we're not a worse team than Tampa bay, Detroit or Montreal, but Toronto is close to that pack, Florida is a real threat in the coming years depending on their ownership, buffalo will be really strong in a few years.  

People wanted parity and they're seeing it now.  There's no room for anyone to falter like we abd Toronto did, but we're also in a group of 5 or 6 that will get 2 playoff spots, maybe 3.

Then there's Columbus who's looking pretty tough.  

Point is this team needs to be deep and strong to survive.  Obviously a huge summer.

Every team in the East, except the Sens, has an owner(s) that have the financial backing to spend on their team -- and they do. I'm not saying it's smart to spend to the cap every year.. because it isn't... but to stay competitive with the Eastern teams.. Melnyk has to invest $$$ in the team. Based on what he said.. the budget this upcoming season will be the same as last season -- around 56M. Now this guy is getting between 30-40M per season for the next 12 yrs from the new TV deals and he can't afford to put 5-10M of that back into the team on players' salaries? As a fan that upsets me.. It would take the team payroll between 60-65M. This tells me that the team will get younger with more inexperienced players in the lineup -- and probably another year of no playoffs. Be prepared for that..

Relax, Sandy, with the CBA they have no choice but to give half of it to the players, so that means, whether he likes it or not, he'll have to spend more.

wprager wrote:Relax, Sandy, with the CBA they have no choice but to give half of it to the players, so that means, whether he likes it or not, he'll have to spend more.  

He will find a way...

But interesting.... seems like Sens hockey fans are not the only ones upset with Melnyk....

http://t.co/DBSJ5RokGK

sandysensfan wrote:

wprager wrote:Relax, Sandy, with the CBA they have no choice but to give half of it to the players, so that means, whether he likes it or not, he'll have to spend more.  

He will find a way...

But interesting.... seems like Sens hockey fans are not the only ones upset with Melnyk....

http://t.co/DBSJ5RokGK

I'm not going to defend Melnyk. I've seen his kind before. My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden. This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years. The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy. No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

sandysensfan wrote:

wprager wrote:Relax, Sandy, with the CBA they have no choice but to give half of it to the players, so that means, whether he likes it or not, he'll have to spend more.  

He will find a way...

But interesting.... seems like Sens hockey fans are not the only ones upset with Melnyk....

http://t.co/DBSJ5RokGK

Like I have said a million times, Melnyk is a sociopath piece of crap. I just happen to agree with his take on sending right now.

I agree to not necessarily spend up to the cap but melnyk is either a PR disaster or he's still trying to use the sens as leverage for his business ventures.
the Dung that comes out of his mouth when he's interviewed. self admitting he meddles with the hockey op... man, could he just sit back and let the people he hired make the choices?

he's likely responsible for too many of the organizations blunders in the past few years.

I've never heard Melnyk saiing he "meddles" with hockey ops. In fact, everytime he gets interviewed he always states the opposite.

LeKing wrote:I've never heard Melnyk saiing he "meddles" with hockey ops. In fact, everytime he gets interviewed he always states the opposite.

just listen to the interview he does with mendes. he clearly says he does, pulls out the dictionary definition on top of it as a start to say he doesn't then as he reads it he changes his tune to say he does. because he owns it. it was one of his worst interviews ever.....

Flo The Action wrote:

LeKing wrote:I've never heard Melnyk saiing he "meddles" with hockey ops. In fact, everytime he gets interviewed he always states the opposite.

just listen to the interview he does with mendes. he clearly says he does, pulls out the dictionary definition on top of it as a start to say he doesn't then as he reads it he changes his tune to say he does. because he owns it. it was one of his worst interviews ever.....

That interview was awful, I agree, and I hate anytime melnyk opens his mouth. That said, I think he made it clear that he doesn't 'meddle' and trusts decisions for hockey personnel with BMurr. However, he has every right to take part in discussions or keep tabs on what's going on, and i think that's what he was getting at when he took exception to ppl accusing him of 'meddling'.

Now whether you want to believe him is another story. Like every boss, he has his favorites....and ultimately most personnel decisions get to money which will involve melnyk either way.

But, it ENRAGES me when he says things like 'if we kept alfie, there's no way we could have gotten ryan'. Like....ENRAGE!  

 

wprager wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

wprager wrote:Relax, Sandy, with the CBA they have no choice but to give half of it to the players, so that means, whether he likes it or not, he'll have to spend more.  

He will find a way...

But interesting.... seems like Sens hockey fans are not the only ones upset with Melnyk....

http://t.co/DBSJ5RokGK

I'm not going to defend Melnyk.  I've seen his kind before.  My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden.  This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years.  The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy.  No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

It's a venture stock in the pharma industry. Nothing to see here. I agree with W.P. Rager for the first and, likely last, time ever.

Michallica wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

LeKing wrote:I've never heard Melnyk saiing he "meddles" with hockey ops. In fact, everytime he gets interviewed he always states the opposite.

just listen to the interview he does with mendes. he clearly says he does, pulls out the dictionary definition on top of it as a start to say he doesn't then as he reads it he changes his tune to say he does. because he owns it. it was one of his worst interviews ever.....

That interview was awful, I agree, and I hate anytime melnyk opens his mouth.  That said, I think he made it clear that he doesn't 'meddle' and trusts decisions for hockey personnel with BMurr.  However, he has every right to take part in discussions or keep tabs on what's going on, and i think that's what he was getting at when he took exception to ppl accusing him of 'meddling'.  

Now whether you want to believe him is another story.  Like every boss, he has his favorites....and ultimately most personnel decisions get to money which will involve melnyk either way.  

But, it ENRAGES me when he says things like 'if we kept alfie, there's no way we could have gotten ryan'.  Like....ENRAGE!  

 

you're right, that drunken email he sent to alfie isn't meddling in contract negotiations...
the Cussing man meddles. apparently Kovalev was his as well.
he meddles, meddles alright.

i think they were going to pull the trigger on bobby ryan no matter what he says. they'd been chasing him for l0onger then they'd thought they'd lose alfie. the different is whether they might have gone out after macarthur.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
I'm not going to defend Melnyk.  I've seen his kind before.  My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden.  This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years.  The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy.  No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

It's a venture stock in the pharma industry. Nothing to see here. I agree with W.P. Rager for the first and, likely last, time ever.

A challenge. I accept.

I think Subways should have $5 for *any* footlongs in Canada, just like they do in the U.S.

Flo The Action wrote:

Michallica wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

LeKing wrote:I've never heard Melnyk saiing he "meddles" with hockey ops. In fact, everytime he gets interviewed he always states the opposite.

just listen to the interview he does with mendes. he clearly says he does, pulls out the dictionary definition on top of it as a start to say he doesn't then as he reads it he changes his tune to say he does. because he owns it. it was one of his worst interviews ever.....

That interview was awful, I agree, and I hate anytime melnyk opens his mouth.  That said, I think he made it clear that he doesn't 'meddle' and trusts decisions for hockey personnel with BMurr.  However, he has every right to take part in discussions or keep tabs on what's going on, and i think that's what he was getting at when he took exception to ppl accusing him of 'meddling'.  

Now whether you want to believe him is another story.  Like every boss, he has his favorites....and ultimately most personnel decisions get to money which will involve melnyk either way.  

But, it ENRAGES me when he says things like 'if we kept alfie, there's no way we could have gotten ryan'.  Like....ENRAGE!  

 

you're right, that drunken email he sent to alfie isn't meddling in contract negotiations...
the Cussing man meddles. apparently Kovalev was his as well.
he meddles, meddles alright.

i think they were going to pull the trigger on bobby ryan no matter what he says. they'd been chasing him for l0onger then they'd thought they'd lose alfie. the different is whether they might have gone out after macarthur.

It's all speculation at this point. How do you know he didn't send alfie that drunken email after alfie rejected the sens? The guy wanted $7M, pretty sure melnyk/murray weren't happy with that. I think it boils down to sens playing hardball with alfie and then paying the price. But it's not like melnyk went to murray to hand pick a guy like corvo, or overrule in hockey operation, and that was his point.

And the bobby ryan thing, yes I agree with you. That's why it infuriates me when that bunghole says we wouldn't have gotten ryan if alfie was still there. Diddle you melnyk, you're just leveraging your own position. he bloody well could have had both. The only reason sens pulled that deal on july 5th itself was purely for PR since they were likely going to be pelted with Dung had they not done that trade.

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:
I'm not going to defend Melnyk.  I've seen his kind before.  My first job out of university was for a small company owned by Bryden.  This guy went from declaring bankruptcy (where I was one of the many casualties) to owning the Senators in a span of about 2-3 years.  The trick is playing with OPM (Other People's Money), and that makes the people whose money he's playing with a little testy.  No-one held a gun to their heads, they bought the shares in hopes of making a quick buck.

It's a venture stock in the pharma industry. Nothing to see here. I agree with W.P. Rager for the first and, likely last, time ever.

A challenge.  I accept.

I think Subways should have $5 for *any* footlongs in Canada, just like they do in the U.S.

Just say something good about spezza or bad against the red wings, and you will win.