2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:I think so, he had to send a message this year IMO even if a lot of his decisions were flawed.  Again it was pretty easy to see the divide in the room between MacLean and Spezza for the first 1/2 of the year.

So how does Spezza have a career season in PMac's first year?  What changed?  What happened to the league's #4 point-getter?  This whole "Spezza and MacLean have been butting heads since day one" BS (I believe that came from Simmer) just doesn't pass the smell test.

SpezDispenser wrote:Let's say Berglund or someone similar and let's also say Stewart because Tim M. made it sound like they were closeish.

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Stewart - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Berglund - Lazar
Greening - Smith - Neil
Condra

That's a forward core I could live with.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Let's say Berglund or someone similar and let's also say Stewart because Tim M. made it sound like they were closeish.

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Stewart - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Berglund - Lazar
Greening - Smith - Neil
Condra

That's a forward core I could live with.

Any speculation on next years lineup that doesn't include Spezza is a waste of time.

tim1_2 wrote:So the proposed roster assumes we trade for Berglund and Stewart.  

Still lots of question marks on the roster, but I like the idea of giving Stone and Hoffman increased roles and seeing if they can succeed.  It'll depend on how P-Mac deploys them, but he may not have much choice.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Let's say Berglund or someone similar and let's also say Stewart because Tim M. made it sound like they were closeish.

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Stewart - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Berglund - Lazar
Greening - Smith - Neil
Condra

That's a forward core I could live with.

Any speculation on next years lineup that doesn't include Spezza is a waste of time.

Maybe.

For the one millionth time though: are the Sens prepared to offer Spezza a 7 year ~50 million dollar contract?  If yes, then let's do it.  If no, then you HAVE to trade him now to avoid him either getting hurt again or sucking.  There's pretty much no choice.  If he walks as a UFA, Murray has failed and failed large.

Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Let's say Berglund or someone similar and let's also say Stewart because Tim M. made it sound like they were closeish.

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Stewart - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Berglund - Lazar
Greening - Smith - Neil
Condra

That's a forward core I could live with.

Any speculation on next years lineup that doesn't include Spezza is a waste of time.

Maybe.

For the one millionth time though: are the Sens prepared to offer Spezza a 7 year ~50 million dollar contract?  If yes, then let's do it.  If no, then you HAVE to trade him now to avoid him either getting hurt again or sucking.  There's pretty much no choice.  If he walks as a UFA, Murray has failed and failed large.

He's just trolling

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Let's say Berglund or someone similar and let's also say Stewart because Tim M. made it sound like they were closeish.

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Stewart - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Berglund - Lazar
Greening - Smith - Neil
Condra

That's a forward core I could live with.

Any speculation on next years lineup that doesn't include Spezza is a waste of time.

Maybe.

For the one millionth time though: are the Sens prepared to offer Spezza a 7 year ~50 million dollar contract?  If yes, then let's do it.  If no, then you HAVE to trade him now to avoid him either getting hurt again or sucking.  There's pretty much no choice.  If he walks as a UFA, Murray has failed and failed large.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Let's say Berglund or someone similar and let's also say Stewart because Tim M. made it sound like they were closeish.

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Stewart - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Berglund - Lazar
Greening - Smith - Neil
Condra

That's a forward core I could live with.

Any speculation on next years lineup that doesn't include Spezza is a waste of time.

Maybe.

For the one millionth time though: are the Sens prepared to offer Spezza a 7 year ~50 million dollar contract?  If yes, then let's do it.  If no, then you HAVE to trade him now to avoid him either getting hurt again or sucking.  There's pretty much no choice.  If he walks as a UFA, Murray has failed and failed large.

Whenever you feel you HAVE to trade someone, you better think twice (Smeatley, Bishop). This organization clearly doesn't care about letting UFAs walk so I don't see why Spezza would be an exception. Plus there's next year's deadline if he proves to be worth anything.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Let's say Berglund or someone similar and let's also say Stewart because Tim M. made it sound like they were closeish.

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
Stewart - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Berglund - Lazar
Greening - Smith - Neil
Condra

That's a forward core I could live with.

Any speculation on next years lineup that doesn't include Spezza is a waste of time.

Maybe.

For the one millionth time though: are the Sens prepared to offer Spezza a 7 year ~50 million dollar contract?  If yes, then let's do it.  If no, then you HAVE to trade him now to avoid him either getting hurt again or sucking.  There's pretty much no choice.  If he walks as a UFA, Murray has failed and failed large.

Whenever you feel you HAVE to trade someone, you better think twice (Smeatley, Bishop). This organization clearly doesn't care about letting UFAs walk so I don't see why Spezza would be an exception. Plus there's next year's deadline if he proves to be worth anything.

Why deal with the risk of Spezza getting re-injured and either sucking or not playing when he's clearly not part of our long term plans?  Cash in the chips - now.

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:I think so, he had to send a message this year IMO even if a lot of his decisions were flawed.  Again it was pretty easy to see the divide in the room between MacLean and Spezza for the first 1/2 of the year.

So how does Spezza have a career season in PMac's first year?  What changed?  What happened to the league's #4 point-getter?  This whole "Spezza and MacLean have been butting heads since day one" BS (I believe that came from Simmer) just doesn't pass the smell test.

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:I think so, he had to send a message this year IMO even if a lot of his decisions were flawed.  Again it was pretty easy to see the divide in the room between MacLean and Spezza for the first 1/2 of the year.

So how does Spezza have a career season in PMac's first year?  What changed?  What happened to the league's #4 point-getter?  This whole "Spezza and MacLean have been butting heads since day one" BS (I believe that came from Simmer) just doesn't pass the smell test.

Spezza even said in his career season he and MacLean butted heads about how to play the game.

NEELY wrote:I remember Spezza doing an interview and he said he had heated discussions with MacLean that year he was unreal, so them going at each other isn't new, now it has come down to a choice between MacLean and Spezza and they finally chose the coach after going through 1/2 a dozen.

NEELY wrote:So apparently Spezza doesn't have a full NTC, needs to provide a list of 10 teams he is willing to be traded to.  That's great news.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:I remember Spezza doing an interview and he said he had heated discussions with MacLean that year he was unreal, so them going at each other isn't new, now it has come down to a choice between MacLean and Spezza and they finally chose the coach after going through 1/2 a dozen.

And Murry publicly said that he basically gave MacLean Dung for being too confrontational with veteran players, in particular. So I wouldn't say MacLean was chosen over anyone. Just that he gets to keep his job and that he has to dial back the 'tude a little.