2014 Ottawa Senators Off Season Talk

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:Like I said the day that Ryan leaves I will start sounding the alarm bells, until then there is no point because he's right, any idiot can spend to the cap.  Buffalo did that and look where they are.  Washington, Minny, etc, etc, etc.  If Ottawa starts losing key core players because of Melnyk and his budget that's an issue, I have not seen it happen yet.

Alfie?

Way more to it than money and had more to do with respect.  Melnyk is a moron, no one is questioning that but he's right when he says "any idiot can spend to the cap".  More of a shot at the Leafs IMO anyways.

shabbs wrote:

LeKing wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:This is a dangerous time for the Senators.  A time when Murray is looking at the 2nd half stats and seeing Spezza as a -2 with major point contributions and chemistry with Hemsky and Michalek.  He'll also be looking at the 2nd half as more the team he thought we'd be - as we would have easily made the playoffs if we played like that from the beginning - ie when Spezza was still recovering.

Dangerous time if you want Spezza gone.  I can see him staying, along with Hemsky, with MacLean still as coach.

Your usernames are cursed man, Spezza's gone   

LOL! Now that is funny. Forgot about Heater504 or whatever it was...

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Way more to it than money and had more to do with respect.  Melnyk is a moron, no one is questioning that but he's right when he says "any idiot can spend to the cap".  More of a shot at the Leafs IMO anyways.

We lost a core player due to budget.  If they actually offered him the blank cheque like they said there'd be no problem.

Instead they tried to corner him to accept a number within their stinking budget thinking he'd be loyal as always.

If that's how they handled negotiations with the greatest player to ever wear the jersey I don't feel so good about a great player who's only been here one year(Ryan).

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:Like I said the day that Ryan leaves I will start sounding the alarm bells, until then there is no point because he's right, any idiot can spend to the cap.  Buffalo did that and look where they are.  Washington, Minny, etc, etc, etc.  If Ottawa starts losing key core players because of Melnyk and his budget that's an issue, I have not seen it happen yet.

Alfie?

Way more to it than money and had more to do with respect.  Melnyk is a moron, no one is questioning that but he's right when he says "any idiot can spend to the cap".  More of a shot at the Leafs IMO anyways.

Pretty sure that disrespect was directly linked to the amount of money they offered him.

Ev wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Way more to it than money and had more to do with respect.  Melnyk is a moron, no one is questioning that but he's right when he says "any idiot can spend to the cap".  More of a shot at the Leafs IMO anyways.

We lost a core player due to budget.  If they actually offered him the blank cheque like they said there'd be no problem.

Instead they tried to corner him to accept a number within their stinking budget thinking he'd be loyal as always.

If that's how they handled negotiations with the greatest player to ever wear the jersey I don't feel so good about a great player who's only been here one year(Ryan).

Alfredsson deserved what happened to him. Simple as that. Old player, always hurt, terrible year for him.

SpezDispenser wrote:

shabbs wrote:

LeKing wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:This is a dangerous time for the Senators.  A time when Murray is looking at the 2nd half stats and seeing Spezza as a -2 with major point contributions and chemistry with Hemsky and Michalek.  He'll also be looking at the 2nd half as more the team he thought we'd be - as we would have easily made the playoffs if we played like that from the beginning - ie when Spezza was still recovering.

Dangerous time if you want Spezza gone.  I can see him staying, along with Hemsky, with MacLean still as coach.

Your usernames are cursed man, Spezza's gone   

LOL! Now that is funny. Forgot about Heater504 or whatever it was...

It was 50(goals) 4 (for) Heater.  Get it right!    

As I said, I don't care about usernames or anything like that, I just want to win.  

Ev wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Way more to it than money and had more to do with respect.  Melnyk is a moron, no one is questioning that but he's right when he says "any idiot can spend to the cap".  More of a shot at the Leafs IMO anyways.

We lost a core player due to budget.  If they actually offered him the blank cheque like they said there'd be no problem.

Instead they tried to corner him to accept a number within their stinking budget thinking he'd be loyal as always.

If that's how they handled negotiations with the greatest player to ever wear the jersey I don't feel so good about a great player who's only been here one year(Ryan).

Alfredsson deserved what happened to him. Simple as that. Old player, always hurt, terrible year for him.

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Way more to it than money and had more to do with respect.  Melnyk is a moron, no one is questioning that but he's right when he says "any idiot can spend to the cap".  More of a shot at the Leafs IMO anyways.

We lost a core player due to budget.  If they actually offered him the blank cheque like they said there'd be no problem.

Instead they tried to corner him to accept a number within their stinking budget thinking he'd be loyal as always.

If that's how they handled negotiations with the greatest player to ever wear the jersey I don't feel so good about a great player who's only been here one year(Ryan).

Alfredsson deserved what happened to him. Simple as that. Old player, always hurt, terrible year for him.

And this is where the other side of the argument becomes completely ignorant as well.

NEELY wrote:

LeKing wrote:Just listened to Shawn Simpson and looks like Maclean and Murray don't like each other, based on his "sources" from the inside.

They seem to have a conflicting approach and philosophy on the game for sure.  Has Murray ever won a Jack Adams?

LeKing wrote:They're probably set on trading Spezza but will never admit it until they see what kind of offer they receive from the other teams.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Way more to it than money and had more to do with respect.  Melnyk is a moron, no one is questioning that but he's right when he says "any idiot can spend to the cap".  More of a shot at the Leafs IMO anyways.

We lost a core player due to budget.  If they actually offered him the blank cheque like they said there'd be no problem.

Instead they tried to corner him to accept a number within their stinking budget thinking he'd be loyal as always.

If that's how they handled negotiations with the greatest player to ever wear the jersey I don't feel so good about a great player who's only been here one year(Ryan).

Alfredsson deserved what happened to him. Simple as that. Old player, always hurt, terrible year for him.

And this is where the other side of the argument becomes completely ignorant as well.

What's ignorant? It's a business. As Melnyk said, spend smart. Alfredsson getting $5.5 wasn't smart.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

LeKing wrote:They're probably set on trading Spezza but will never admit it until they see what kind of offer they receive from the other teams.

4 million dollar salary, 7 million for the cap hit...

LeKing wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

LeKing wrote:They're probably set on trading Spezza but will never admit it until they see what kind of offer they receive from the other teams.

4 million dollar salary, 7 million for the cap hit...

7x8 the year after

Oglethorpe wrote:

NEELY wrote:

LeKing wrote:Just listened to Shawn Simpson and looks like Maclean and Murray don't like each other, based on his "sources" from the inside.

They seem to have a conflicting approach and philosophy on the game for sure.  Has Murray ever won a Jack Adams?

Perhaps their conflicting philosophies is as simple as a GM wanting the coach to play the kids and the coach playing the vets that he trusts and believes give him the best chance to win.

If that is the case it is on Murray.  You give the coach a roster, and it's up to the coach to deploy.  If you want Lehner over Anderson, remove Anderson as an option, etc...

SeawaySensFan wrote:

LeKing wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

LeKing wrote:They're probably set on trading Spezza but will never admit it until they see what kind of offer they receive from the other teams.

4 million dollar salary, 7 million for the cap hit...

7x8 the year after

Fixed.

LeKing wrote:They're probably set on trading Spezza but will never admit it until they see what kind of offer they receive from the other teams.