GAME DAY: Florida Panthers @ Ottawa Senators :: 7:30pm ET :: Thu. Dec. 19th, 2013

LeKing wrote:Forget the refs man, I watch a ton of hockey and all the teams get Dung calls every single game. The best teams don't even care, they take the penalty, get scored on, shut up and move on. That's leadership for you.

Kinda hard to move on when the missed penalty happens a little over 2 minutes from the end of a tied game, or when it happens twice in the same game. It also happens a lot more to the Sens. I know, it sucks. That rut in the ice that Karlsson fell over was probably because the ice-making equipment and zamboni are in need of repairs.

NEELY wrote:Seriously, if people think the refs are going to make calls in the Sens favour to help them win games at this point haha.  News flash, these calls even out and these calls are made against and for every team in the league.  Sens make it easy on the refs each night, simple as that.

Anyways, until something drastic happens in Ottawa the results will be the same.

I wish I could believe you, but it's going on 4 years now that the Sens are getting this treatment. The stench of Cory Clouston has barely begun to wear off when MacLean starts his complaining.

Michallica wrote:I'm surprised ppl aren't making more of a deal out that dumb spinarama move karlsson tried on the PP when he had a clear lane to shoot and a team mate near the net for a potential rebound.  Really, I'm flabbergasted that someone like karlsson who is our best player decides to do something so Cussing boneheaded and costs his team any chance to tie up the game.  And then the rest is history.

And don't get me started on pageau and his errant stick.....or phillips belly flopping and allowing his man to go around and make the pass for the GWG.

  

Karlsson, at that point, was trying to do too much. They'd been shooting at Clemmenson all night and managed to score two on a kicked-in puck and a perfect shot from Spezza. They weren't getting a lot of good chances through, and maybe at ice level Karlsson saw that the shooting lane you mention wasn't all that good.

There's a street in Kanata called Conacher Gate. Coincidence?

Yes in a nutshell karlsson tried to do too much to the point it was asinine when you have to keep it simple, especially with a man advantage and enough time on the clock.

That's the story of the senators thus far as well. Too many ppl try to do too much and instead hurt their own team.

Not sure why the whole team is trying to get odd man rushes on a PK when the team is already struggling to get out of the zone.
I think that's coaching to be honest with you. Maclean is trying to make them play puke possession but at this point you have to know when to stop and make the safe play.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:There's a street in Kanata called Conacher Gate.  Coincidence?

Alfie: Probably not.

LeKing wrote:Not sure why the whole team is trying to get odd man rushes on a PK when the team is already struggling to get out of the zone.
I think that's coaching to be honest with you. Maclean is trying to make them play puke possession but at this point you have to know when to stop and make the safe play.

  

I honestly thought he meant to write that.

Ev wrote:Missed call changed the game

Yes it did... the 3rd non-call that resulted in goals against in two consecutive games. Completely unacceptable.. and there is no accountability for the refs... they just continue on as before...

Michallica wrote:What cost us the game? Pageau's careless high stick, missed call on michalek, or that abomination if a giveaway from karlsson?

All 3..... Pageau took a needless penalty.. but he will learn from that. The refs missed a call again.. led to GWG.... Karlsson -- that's what you get with him... He sometimes just tries too much... too flashy.. instead of the simple play. Goal by Spezza was a beauty..

If the team was any good then a bad call here and there or a risky play by Karlsson which doesn't work out wouldn't be enough to lose a game.

Fact is they suck, the goalie has to be perfect, the refs have to be perfect and the team has to be virtually perfect in order for them to win a game on most nights.

We all know that doesn't happen often for ANY team.

NEELY wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:We got at least one point earlier in the season from being on the good side of a bad call.  Zero sense in whining about the refs.

It's insane people talk about the refs like they have decided the outcome.  Hockey is 100% the toughest sport in the world to ref and it isn't close.

But the issue is.. last night.. the refs did decide the game. That was a blatant non-call which should have ended up a penalty on the Panthers -- 4 on 4 with a faceoff in the Panthers end -- not a puck in the Sens net. If that had happened earlier in the game.. they have time to make it up. But it happened with 4 min left in the game. Not saying the Sens would have won.. but they probably come out of that game with a point..

Total unacceptable. League wide these refs have been an embarrassment... and they just continue with no type of correction or accountability...

Curious to know if Murray has filed a formal complaint. Once in a while you get those calls against you... but 3 goals against on non-calls in back to back games? No...

Game is too hard to ref, how about you try to make the best out of what you can control? You people should really watch more games, every single team in the league gets screwed from time to time. Yeah, even the Leafs have lost games due to reffng this year.
Whining is for losers.

LeKing wrote:Game is too hard to ref, how about you try to make the best out of what you can control? You people should really watch more games, every single team in the league gets screwed from time to time. Yeah, even the Leafs have lost games due to reffng this year.
Whining is for losers.

I said the problem is league wide... as these guys are not getting the job done. In the age of parity in the NHL every point is important.. and the Sens... and others are getting hurt points wise by the incompetent job these guys are doing.

I watch a lot of hockey games... Sens and others...

If it is a problem.. the game to fast... then they fix it somehow with a ref up higher that can see the ice and has some control to overturn bad calls... OR they have a coaches challenge.. Playoffs are $$$ to the teams... it's not right that some team or teams could lose out because of a bad call at some point in the season. I don't think it has ever happened.. but there's always the chance..

sandysensfan wrote:

Michallica wrote:What cost us the game? Pageau's careless high stick, missed call on michalek, or that abomination if a giveaway from karlsson?

All 3.....   Pageau took a needless penalty.. but he will learn from that.  The refs missed a call again.. led to GWG....  Karlsson -- that's what you get with him...  He sometimes just tries too much... too flashy.. instead of the simple play.  Goal by Spezza was a beauty..

Hopefully Pageau will learn from it (the Sens, as a team, are taking too many needless penalties).

Now, the refs, not sure they will learn anything if they are not made accountable.

And if that call is not missed, the game is still tied and the Sens are on the PP with just over 2 minutes to go in the game. Less likely Karlsson does the pirouette.

P.S. Still that.s two short-handed goals in the same game. I don't think the Sens scored many shorties this year, themselves.

Edit: 1 shorthanded goal, tied with Buffalo, Edmonton (?), Florida, NYR and Minny. Phoenix and Pittsburgh (???) have no shorthanded goals.

How on earth does Pittsburgh not have any? And Edmonton, too -- but I guess their flashy stars don't do PK. Ottawa with as many opportunities as they've had, you'd expect more than one.

sandysensfan wrote:
But the issue is.. last night.. the refs did decide the game.  That was a blatant non-call which should have ended up a penalty on the Panthers -- 4 on 4 with a faceoff in the Panthers end -- not a puck in the Sens net.  If that had happened earlier in the game.. they have time to make it up.  But it happened with 4 min left in the game.  Not saying the Sens would have won.. but they probably come out of that game with a point..

Total unacceptable.  League wide these refs have been an embarrassment... and they just continue with no type of correction or accountability...

Curious to know if Murray has filed a formal complaint. Once in a while you get those calls against you... but 3 goals against on non-calls in back to back games?  No...

It actually happened with around 2-1/2 minutes left in the game. There were 2 seconds left in Pageau's penalty when they scored. If the arm goes up the score's 2-2 and they are on the PP for almost the rest of the game. Pretty close to a guaranteed point and very likely 2.

Sure, every team gets jobbed once in a while, but I still maintain my stance that it's happened to the Sens more than their equal share. And this has been going on for a while. Started with the very unusually high number of too many men calls against them. Those calls are very often judgement calls because there *is* no safe zone near the benches to indicate when a player can come off, so it's up to the discretion of the referee to decide whether the guy came on too soon or not. Sure, there are the rare ones when six guys are skating around for a few seconds, but most of the time it's just someone a bit too slow coming off or too eager to come on.

And what about all the high-sticks that are missed? One game Smith got hit twice and Neil once, and all three were missed.

It's the ones where the infraction is right where the puck is that make no sense. What are the refs watching, if not the puck?