NHL CBA Talk

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Maybe it was just a sticky 'a' key.

wprager wrote:O, Canda
Our home and ntive lnd
True ptriot love
In all thy sons commnd

Maybe it was just a sticky 'a' key.

Well sid.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:O, Canda
Our home and ntive lnd
True ptriot love
In all thy sons commnd

Maybe it was just a sticky 'a' key.

Well sid.

Thnk you.

Does Shabbs have a second, shadow account? A half dozen posts with various takes on the missing 'a' and his is the only one that gets +d. Hmm, shenanigans? Or should I say Shabbsanigans?

wprager wrote:Does Shabbs have a second, shadow account? A half dozen posts with various takes on the missing 'a' and his is the only one that gets +d. Hmm, shenanigans? Or should I say Shabbsanigans?

Hmmm - that is odd actually.... I've got a fan...

heh heh.

shabbs wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:Take a player earning 7M per season... reduce it by 7% (57% to 50%) - it works out to just under 500K. So the players are willing to sit out an entire year and lose that salary... but won't play and lose a small part of that.. Makes no sense to me.

Minor correction, a reduction from 57% to 50% is more than 7%. It works out to be 12.2% (7 / 57).

I think shortly, with the missed pay checks, they will have lost pretty much what the NHL was asking them to roll back... so it does seem sill. But, the NHLPA is looking long term, for long terms benefits, for everyone. So, pain now for a better deal later.

With huge salaries, the numbers do get silly though.

Nah, you all got it wrong. HRR is growing at 7.1%, don't you know. So the players' take would go from $1.881B (57% of $3.3B), to $1.7655B (50% of $3.531B). And that's a drop of only 6.1%. So for a player making $7M that's $427K. And since they are taxed at 50% (if you take into account the agent's take they pay 50% even in the US) they are really only $213.5K out of pocket.

shabbs wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:Take a player earning 7M per season... reduce it by 7% (57% to 50%) - it works out to just under 500K. So the players are willing to sit out an entire year and lose that salary... but won't play and lose a small part of that.. Makes no sense to me.

Minor correction, a reduction from 57% to 50% is more than 7%. It works out to be 12.2% (7 / 57).

I think shortly, with the missed pay checks, they will have lost pretty much what the NHL was asking them to roll back... so it does seem sill. But, the NHLPA is looking long term, for long terms benefits, for everyone. So, pain now for a better deal later.

With huge salaries, the numbers do get silly though.

My math sucks... just took 57 - 50 and came out with 7%... 12% is half of what they rolled back last time. But I thought the last NHL offer -- was players putting money in escrow (can' remember the percentage) and not classified as a 'roll-back'. So if the league does well.. the players get that escrow back. Like this past season they paid in 8.5% in escrow and are getting 8% back.. or something close to that..

It is to everyone's advantage to get this settled quickly without losing more revenue than they have already... or will in future if some fans don't return...

I saw this in an Ottawa Sun article today:
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The NHL players know they're in a battle they don't expect to win but they aren't ready to wave the white towel.

Washington Capitals defenceman Karl Alzner told CSNWashington.com the players will get the short end of the stick in negotiations for a collective bargaining agreement but they're trying to minimize their losses before the fight is over.

"We know we're going to have to take a hit," Alzner told the website Friday. "It's just how big of a hit we need to take.

"I think both sides know what their next proposal is, it's just who wants to give it first. The owners know what their bottom percentage is and I'm sure Don (Fehr, union head) knows what's going to be a good one for us economically.

"But who's going to be the first one to bite the bullet? No one wants to lose the negotiation. We understand we're definitely not going to win it."

shabbs wrote:

wprager wrote:Does Shabbs have a second, shadow account? A half dozen posts with various takes on the missing 'a' and his is the only one that gets +d. Hmm, shenanigans? Or should I say Shabbsanigans?

Hmmm - that is odd actually.... I've got a fan...

Or a stalker.

And two can play that game you just played. But I won't. I'm above that.

(plus I can do much better than that if you know what I mean)

Eric Macramella had a good retort to someone who tweeted how the fans came back after the last lockout, and the NHL went on to record revenues and attendance. He said something to the effect, imagine what it could have been like if there *hadn't* been a lockout.

wprager wrote:

shabbs wrote:

wprager wrote:Does Shabbs have a second, shadow account? A half dozen posts with various takes on the missing 'a' and his is the only one that gets +d. Hmm, shenanigans? Or should I say Shabbsanigans?

Hmmm - that is odd actually.... I've got a fan...

Or a stalker.

And two can play that game you just played. But I won't. I'm above that.

(plus I can do much better than that if you know what I mean)

Careful there, you're letting your power go to your head...

sandysensfan wrote:I saw this in an Ottawa Sun article today:
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The NHL players know they're in a battle they don't expect to win but they aren't ready to wave the white towel.

Washington Capitals defenceman Karl Alzner told CSNWashington.com the players will get the short end of the stick in negotiations for a collective bargaining agreement but they're trying to minimize their losses before the fight is over.

"We know we're going to have to take a hit," Alzner told the website Friday. "It's just how big of a hit we need to take.

"I think both sides know what their next proposal is, it's just who wants to give it first. The owners know what their bottom percentage is and I'm sure Don (Fehr, union head) knows what's going to be a good one for us economically.

"But who's going to be the first one to bite the bullet? No one wants to lose the negotiation. We understand we're definitely not going to win it."

Yeah, they know the deal. And they knew it last lockout too. They ended up with a better offer in the end, so I guess it comes down to how long until they get the offer they feel is acceptable. I suspect those Fehr/Bettman discussions have been about that very topic. We'll see...

shabbs wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:I saw this in an Ottawa Sun article today:
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The NHL players know they're in a battle they don't expect to win but they aren't ready to wave the white towel.

Washington Capitals defenceman Karl Alzner told CSNWashington.com the players will get the short end of the stick in negotiations for a collective bargaining agreement but they're trying to minimize their losses before the fight is over.

"We know we're going to have to take a hit," Alzner told the website Friday. "It's just how big of a hit we need to take.

"I think both sides know what their next proposal is, it's just who wants to give it first. The owners know what their bottom percentage is and I'm sure Don (Fehr, union head) knows what's going to be a good one for us economically.

"But who's going to be the first one to bite the bullet? No one wants to lose the negotiation. We understand we're definitely not going to win it."

Yeah, they know the deal. And they knew it last lockout too. They ended up with a better offer in the end, so I guess it comes down to how long until they get the offer they feel is acceptable. I suspect those Fehr/Bettman discussions have been about that very topic. We'll see...

I'm not holding out much hope. The players know it will not be settled soon.. that's why so many are jumping ship to Europe...

Mid-November.

Turris going to Finland. Not even going to try to spell the name of the team.

Edit: Oh, alright: Kärpät Oulu

wprager wrote:Mid-November.

I'm saying late Nov/early Dec. 60ish game season.

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Mid-November.

I'm saying late Nov/early Dec. 60ish game season.

They were speculating on the Team 1200 on Friday with Pierre McGuire thinking if nothing is settled by the first part of December.. the Winter Classic along with the entire NHL season will be cancelled.

sandysensfan wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Mid-November.

I'm saying late Nov/early Dec. 60ish game season.

They were speculating on the Team 1200 on Friday with Pierre McGuire thinking if nothing is settled by the first part of December.. the Winter Classic along with the entire NHL season will be cancelled.

I think the Winter Classic is the big showcase event and if they can't play that, they probably figure the rest of the season is not worth playing.