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What does it take to get Nash?

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961What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:17 am

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Why does Melnyk and Murray even care? If they want a big fish, go and land Ryan. Am I wrong? What's the difference? I'd say Ryan's just as gifted a goal scorer.

962What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:19 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:Why does Melnyk and Murray even care? If they want a big fish, go and land Ryan. Am I wrong? What's the difference? I'd say Ryan's just as gifted a goal scorer.

After Heatley, Melnyk isn't paying for overpaid prima donnas like Nash who do not want to be here.

If Nash only wants to come to Ottawa because the alternative is staying in Columbus, well then forget about it.

As for Ryan, he seems to want to go to Philly, I think he'd walk after his 3 years are up.

963What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:20 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:Why does Melnyk and Murray even care? If they want a big fish, go and land Ryan. Am I wrong? What's the difference? I'd say Ryan's just as gifted a goal scorer.

Ryan has prima donna written all over him

964What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:21 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Riprock wrote:Could also be a little mind games, and it might mean that Nash may change his mind to come to Ottawa, but the price Ottawa is willing to play may have just come down.

Also, Sens think Stone > Zibanejad.

I think what that meant was that they didn't want to include Stone on top of Zibanejad and Lehner. That was my understanding.

I interpreted it as one or the other, but the Sens refused to offer Stone, and rather preferred trading Zibanejad.

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Riprock wrote:No, the answer should be, sure, but now we are only prepared to give you __, ___, and ___ instead of Foligno, Zibanejad and Lehner

Nash had a chance to waive his NMC for Ottawa, he said no.

Melnyk said Fingers

Our offer is off the table (especially since we traded Foligno anyway). If changes his mind later and adds Ottawa to his list, we are not interested anymore.

We don't players who do not want to be here (Nash).

Ottawa's not Nash's first choice, and the Sens would be dumb to not take Nash on IF he changed his mind. They (The Sens) actually now hold the power since they offered the best offer. Since the Jackets already have Foligno, the deal would be slightly modified. Maybe a 2nd round pick added instead of Lehner, or Lehner becomes Bishop. Who the heck knows.

But as far as Melnyk saying he only wants people in Ottawa whose first choice is playing here, that's not entirely true. I highly doubt Ottawa was Kovalev and Gonchar's first choices, it as just the only one that gave them what they wanted. So if Crosby didn't want to play here as his first choice but Ottawa had a chance to get him, you saying Melnyk would not allow the trade?

965What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:23 am

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NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Why does Melnyk and Murray even care? If they want a big fish, go and land Ryan. Am I wrong? What's the difference? I'd say Ryan's just as gifted a goal scorer.

Ryan has prima donna written all over him

He does.

I was gonna say the same thing, but he's still a bonafide young player who can put the puck in the net. Depending on the price, I'd still look at it.

It's true though...the kid appears to be holier than thou.

966What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:24 am

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Riprock wrote:
I interpreted it as one or the other, but the Sens refused to offer Stone, and rather preferred trading Zibanejad.


Huh...I'd have to see that article again. I can actually see that being true, we've wanted a pure goal scorer for a long time and it looks like Stone is legit.

967What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:27 am

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They are different players too. Zibanejad is more of a two way forward and Stone is more of a powerforward.

968What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:28 am

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Riprock wrote:
But as far as Melnyk saying he only wants people in Ottawa whose first choice is playing here, that's not entirely true. I highly doubt Ottawa was Kovalev and Gonchar's first choices, it as just the only one that gave them what they wanted. So if Crosby didn't want to play here as his first choice but Ottawa had a chance to get him, you saying Melnyk would not allow the trade?

We're not his ANY choice, the article says he REFUSED to add us to his list. Sens are out. He wants to go to SJ, NYR, Philly, whatever.

Gonchar and Kovalev got an offer from us and they ACCEPTED, Nash REFUSED.

If he changes his mind later because he is desperate, well then it's too late, he had his chance.

Kapeesh ?

Riprock wrote:
Ottawa's not Nash's first choice, and the Sens would be dumb to not take Nash on IF he changed his mind.

No we're being smart not taking on his overpaid, over the hill Donkey. I can't believe we'd offer Lehner and Zib for Heatley 2.0.

969What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:30 am

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Hoags wrote:
Riprock wrote:
But as far as Melnyk saying he only wants people in Ottawa whose first choice is playing here, that's not entirely true. I highly doubt Ottawa was Kovalev and Gonchar's first choices, it as just the only one that gave them what they wanted. So if Crosby didn't want to play here as his first choice but Ottawa had a chance to get him, you saying Melnyk would not allow the trade?

We're not his ANY choice, the article says he REFUSED to add us to his list. Sens are out. He wants to go to SJ, NYR, Philly, whatever.

Gonchar and Kovalev got an offer from us and they ACCEPTED, Nash REFUSED.

If he changes his mind later because he is desperate, well then it's too late, he had his chance.

Kapeesh ?

Sucks no matter what but it's ultimately The Nasher's loss, on the hockey side anyway. I guess lifestyle and endorsements will be sweeter on those other teams.

970What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:40 am

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Nash is not over the hill lol.

He's also better than Heatley (who was good until he ruiend his shoulder and knees). Nash is healthy. He's also a better playmaker and defensive player.

Ottawa signed 35+ players to overpaid, longer deals than nobody else would offer. The issue was a first choice vs. any choice. Gonchar would have probably preferred to stay in the 'Burgh. Kovalev wanted to sty in Montreal.

The other issue is not that Ottawa isn't his #1 or any choice right now, but if it changes.

If none of the teams on his list trade for him, he has to consider alternatives.

971What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:07 am

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Riprock wrote:Nash is not over the hill lol.

He's also better than Heatley (who was good until he ruiend his shoulder and knees). Nash is healthy. He's also a better playmaker and defensive player.

Ottawa signed 35+ players to overpaid, longer deals than nobody else would offer. The issue was a first choice vs. any choice. Gonchar would have probably preferred to stay in the 'Burgh. Kovalev wanted to sty in Montreal.

The other issue is not that Ottawa isn't his #1 or any choice right now, but if it changes.

If none of the teams on his list trade for him, he has to consider alternatives.

The question is, will those teams consider him, if they know they are clearly a last resort type of scenario?

972What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:10 am

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And I say they would be dumb not to. Regardless of how you are getting him, whether it be plan A, B, C or Z, he is what he is, and that is a top line NHL powerforward capable of 30-40 goals (or more) and 6-80 points (depending how he does outside of a poor team).

Consider bidding on a FA and you are the only team offering the most money and longest term, and you win, even though that player didn't really want to, but the offer was too tempting to resist. Would you still care?

A lot of people don't necessarily WANT to do something, say move, or whatever, but after they make the transition, they realize it was a good choice.

I am not saying he will change his mind, or that Ottawa will still trade for him if he does, but you definitely have to consider/re-consider it should it come to that.

973What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:11 am

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hemlock wrote:
The question is, will those teams consider him, if they know they are clearly a last resort type of scenario?

Bingo TwoThumbsUp!

974What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:51 am

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hemlock wrote:

The question is, will those teams consider him, if they know they are clearly a last resort type of scenario?

Sadly, they will.

I'm glad Ottawa has principles. Now that the picture is a little clearer I find it utterly sickening that The Nasher wouldn't JUMP at the chance to play in Ottawa. This has nothing to do with skill or what I think he might have added to the team because I acknowledge that he would have helped big time but The Nasher is a turkey and also a chump.

975What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:55 am

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How about you stay the Cussing course and stick with the up and coming young players you have? THERE'S A THOUGHT!!!!

976What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:57 am

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Big Ev wrote:How about you stay the Cussing course and stick with the up and coming young players you have? THERE'S A THOUGHT!!!!

Probably a pretty good idea. I think we're all in love with the thought of bringing in a top flight scorer for Spezza, but I think that'll have to wait until after we've assessed the kids in Bingo.

977What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:57 am

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Yeah, Nash had a chance to come in here and lead this team to glory, year-after-year.

From the sounds of it, San Jose is his #1 choice, where he can blend in and work on his tan and not feel a lot of pressure.

978What does it take to get Nash? - Page 65 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:05 pm

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let's hope some superstar comes out of the Ottawa area and will sign with us when he becomes a UFA

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