What does it take to get Nash?

Big Ev wrote:this Nash doesn't want to play in Canada stuff is funny considering Toronto is on his list

Toronto is on every player's list because everyone wants to play for the Leafs.

Seriously, Leafs were said to be on his list at the deadline but not now, but who knows with 100% certainty who's on his list ? Recent info says they are not and neither is any Canadian team so that's all we have to go on.

Some players do want to play in Canada (Hamhuis) and some don't (Corvo). Naturally you take more money home in the US due to better taxes and larger markets give you more endorsement opportunities. So if you really care about $$, the USA is the place for you. But everyone is different. Generally speaking, high profile players do not sign in Canada nor do they waive their NMC to play there.

Your facts are:

USA has less taxes compared to Canada. Ok.

So explain again why people choose to play in Canada?

You basically argue that some people choose to play in canada, but would be foolish to do so, because they could save millions playing in the USA.

But it seems to not apply to some people for you. That seems to make them foolish people. But you say "no, its because they are already there, so that's ok". So it's ok to stay in Canada and lose millions of dollars, but its not ok to sign in canada and lose millions of dollars.

Dash has to be the most naive or totally ignorant person on this form, lol. It would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.

If a player has a home in a city, be it Columbus, Ottawa, NYR, w/e, yah, chances are they will resign him like has always been the case and both sides tend to be happy.

Hey Dash, you know these people/plays have families right? Like kids in school, established in a community, etc. So yah, that plays a role.

If you up and leave a team, guess what? You are going to the States if you have any kind of celebrity behind your name or make a real good chunk of change.

Make your argument and point out how many UFA's have come to Canada in the last 10 years we'll say or gusy that have demanded a trade and landed here that actually have a choice. Go for it champ, looking forward to it. I could save you some time and post a big blank list, but I'll let you do that.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Riprock wrote:What is the summer footwear of choice in Morrisburg?

What is your opinion on barefoot shoes?

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/index.htm

Most people wear open-toed shoes of some sort. I wear espadrilles.

Boat shoes?

Riprock wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Riprock wrote:What is the summer footwear of choice in Morrisburg?

What is your opinion on barefoot shoes?

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/index.htm

Most people wear open-toed shoes of some sort. I wear espadrilles.

Boat shoes?

I guess the Yacht Club crowd would.

Riprock wrote:Your facts are:

USA has less taxes compared to Canada. Ok.

So explain again why people choose to play in Canada?

You basically argue that some people choose to play in canada, but would be foolish to do so, because they could save millions playing in the USA.

But it seems to not apply to some people for you. That seems to make them foolish people. But you say "no, its because they are already there, so that's ok". So it's ok to stay in Canada and lose millions of dollars, but its not ok to sign in canada and lose millions of dollars.

Spezza, Alfi, Karlsson didn't have a choice btw. They were drafted here. They now have homes, kids, are established in the community, and it would take a lot for them to move. That's a huge difference then Nash asking for a trade and not wanting to come here. Sure, if he does I will gladly eat my words, say you were right, etc... it won't happen though. I don't have a crystal ball but I have common sense.

Even if I post a list of all the players that signed as UFAs in Canada or were traded here, you'd still say "those aren't real players". So why bother?

Hoags wrote:

Big Ev wrote:this Nash doesn't want to play in Canada stuff is funny considering Toronto is on his list

Toronto is on every player's list because everyone wants to play for the Leafs.

Seriously, Leafs were said to be on his list at the deadline but not now, but who knows with 100% certainty who's on his list ? Recent info says they are not and neither is any Canadian team so that's all we have to go on.

Some players do want to play in Canada (Hamhuis) and some don't (Corvo). Naturally you take more money home in the US due to better taxes and larger markets give you more endorsement opportunities. So if you really care about $$, the USA is the place for you. But everyone is different. Generally speaking, high profile players do not sign in Canada nor do they waive their NMC to play there.

Hamhuis is an example but still a guy that went "home" to play. Only organization that attracts UFA's and players that really has no outside attraction is Detroit.

NEELY wrote:

Riprock wrote:Your facts are:

USA has less taxes compared to Canada. Ok.

So explain again why people choose to play in Canada?

You basically argue that some people choose to play in canada, but would be foolish to do so, because they could save millions playing in the USA.

But it seems to not apply to some people for you. That seems to make them foolish people. But you say "no, its because they are already there, so that's ok". So it's ok to stay in Canada and lose millions of dollars, but its not ok to sign in canada and lose millions of dollars.

Spezza, Alfi, Karlsson didn't have a choice btw. They were drafted here. They now have homes, kids, are established in the community, and it would take a lot for them to move. That's a huge difference then Nash asking for a trade and not wanting to come here. Sure, if he does I will gladly eat my words, say you were right, etc... it won't happen though. I don't have a crystal ball but I have common sense.

UGh, they had a choice. Re-signing is a choice. Not asking for a trade is a choice.

Look at Turris, he asked for a tarde from a nice, warm city in the USA. According to you, he gave up millions to choose to play elsewhere. He didn't choose a trade to Ottawa, I don't think he has family here either, so I guess he won't re-sign.

Riprock wrote:Even if I post a list of all the players that signed as UFAs in Canada or were traded here, you'd still say "those aren't real players". So why bother?

Sure guys sign in Canada, some players want to play here. Show me the stars that choose to come to Canada. Give me one. By star we'll say making 7 mil or more.

Riprock wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Riprock wrote:Your facts are:

USA has less taxes compared to Canada. Ok.

So explain again why people choose to play in Canada?

You basically argue that some people choose to play in canada, but would be foolish to do so, because they could save millions playing in the USA.

But it seems to not apply to some people for you. That seems to make them foolish people. But you say "no, its because they are already there, so that's ok". So it's ok to stay in Canada and lose millions of dollars, but its not ok to sign in canada and lose millions of dollars.

Spezza, Alfi, Karlsson didn't have a choice btw. They were drafted here. They now have homes, kids, are established in the community, and it would take a lot for them to move. That's a huge difference then Nash asking for a trade and not wanting to come here. Sure, if he does I will gladly eat my words, say you were right, etc... it won't happen though. I don't have a crystal ball but I have common sense.

UGh, they had a choice. Re-signing is a choice. Not asking for a trade is a choice.

Look at Turris, he asked for a tarde from a nice, warm city in the USA. According to you, he gave up millions to choose to play elsewhere. He didn't choose a trade to Ottawa, I don't think he has family here either, so I guess he won't re-sign.

Turris had no frigging choice, lol. Nice example. As for resigning... if he has a home, is close with the team, and perhaps has a family, then yah, he'll resign as a UFA. RFA doesn;t have much of a choice though.

As for the resigning thing, I told you, guys don't want to pick up and move their families if they are happy where they are and if the money is right.

Awkward... because if you kept reading you would have seen that I said he had no choice in coming to Ottawa, thus according to you, has no reason to stay here, and in fact would be foolish to stay.

Do you consider Thomas Vanek a "star" or at the time he accepted Edmonton's offer sheet, a star?

Probably not, because that would defeat your claim.

Riprock wrote:Awkward... because if you kept reading you would have seen that I said he had no choice in coming to Ottawa, thus according to you, has no reason to stay here, and in fact would be foolish to stay.

Do you consider Thomas Vanek a "star" or at the time he accepted Edmonton's offer sheet, a star?

Probably not, because that would defeat your claim.

Nope but he was paid about 2.5 mil more than he was actually worth at the time, over 7 years, that's a 17 plus million dollar swing for signing an offer sheet.

When did I ever say that someone wouldn't have a reason to stay here? See, this is what people do when they don't have a leg to stand on like yourself, you put words in people's mouths or state I was implying something.

Keep em coming, buddy. You sound dumber and dumber by the minute.

I'm waiting for your examples of guys picking up and demanding to play in Canada there Dash. For the sake of fighting, I'll give you Vanek. Anyone else? Penner maybe? He got about 2 million more than he was worth too, but that was plan B with Edmonton.

No, the stablished argument makes no sense. Established players move from one American city to another, and apparently that is ok. But apparently it is not ok if you move from an established American city to a Canadian one. Oh yeah, except if you are a Dan Hamhuis.

Turris can do the exact same thing he pulled with Phoenix with Ottawa. Because, he is not established here. He's what, 22?

If that happens, we cannot judge him, because if he wants to play in the USA (or I guess we can add Vancouver to this list) it is ok, because we shouldn't deny someone a chance to play somewhere warm where the save millions, or to play where they were born.

But if he stays, it's apparently either because he has no choice or he is established.

Deos this seriously make sense to you?

You can't deal with absolus like this, it's total BS.

You said if a player isn't established, they have no reason to stay. You did say that. Since you said that established players choose to stay, it means unestablished players choose to leave. Heatley chose to stay in Ottawa when he resigned with them. He was established here. He left.

So it seems you are setting me up for failure here, because you are demanding a list of players who signed in Canada, but they have to be a) a star, and b) not overpaid.

Riprock wrote:No, the stablished argument makes no sense. Established players move from one American city to another, and apparently that is ok. But apparently it is not ok if you move from an established American city to a Canadian one. Oh yeah, except if you are a Dan Hamhuis.

Turris can do the exact same thing he pulled with Phoenix with Ottawa. Because, he is not established here. He's what, 22?

If that happens, we cannot judge him, because if he wants to play in the USA (or I guess we can add Vancouver to this list) it is ok, because we shouldn't deny someone a chance to play somewhere warm where the save millions, or to play where they were born.

But if he stays, it's apparently either because he has no choice or he is established.

Deos this seriously make sense to you?

You can't deal with absolus like this, it's total BS.

Who said we couldn't judge? I go based on history and what I know. I know for a fact taxes are lower in the US. I know for a fact guys hate the Canadian media. I know for a fact Canadian teams (especially small ones) have a hard time getting players from outside their organziation. I know for a fact the weather is nicer in the US.

I also know for a fact players have families and lives. They do listen to their wives and do what's best for their kids.

Just give me ONE example of a big name UFA coming to either Ottawa, Calgary, Winnipeg, or Edmonton.

The only player I can ever think of that has star quality that said he would waive to come to Ottawa was Dan Boyle... guess where he is from?

NEELY wrote:
The only player I can ever think of that has star quality that said he would waive to come to Ottawa was Dan Boyle... guess where he is from?

Marc Savard was rumored to as well, same story.