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What does it take to get Nash?

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871What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:16 pm

Riprock


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NEELY wrote:
If you are established in a city that's fine, it's your home. Why don't you think big name UFA's come to Canada? Who was the last really big name to sign in any Canadian city? Gonchar? Only reason he did was because no team in the NHL would give him a 3 year deal. Camellari? Was in Canada already and was offered a stupid amount every other team refused to pay by the Canadians.

So because there are few examples of FA's signing in canada, that is your argument. But when a player re-signs, it is different, because they might as well stay since they are already there. But when players leave non-Canadian cities for a different one after many years, its not the same.

Stop trying to justify BS because of what you "believe in". Guys want to play for big money, with nice weather, away from the stupid Canadian media. Nash doesn't want to play in Canada buddy, get with it. Neither did Heatley. Neither would anyone asking for a trade that has a high profile.

It's not what I believe in, I am making a valid argument, something you have never done. In fact, if anyone is arguing from belief, it's you. It is your belief that nobody signs in Canada. It's your belief people prefer warm climates over typical Canadian ones. So is it only justifiable for you to have beliefs and nobody else?

Anyways, like most things you are completely out to lunch because you have a very uneducated opinion. Par for the course I guess.

Again, because I have a different argument than you, I am automatically wrong. What is uneducated about my argument? That I broke your argument down and contradicted you, so you personally attack me?

872What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:17 pm

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NEELY wrote:
Riprock wrote:Let me see if I got this straight:

This seems to be more of an anti-Nash issue than anything else.

In general, Neely feels that Canada is not on top FA's or elite players lists because nobody would go to a city where they would lose "millions" in taxes.

Next, he says people in control of their destiny would rather go to a warmer, tropical-like city.

Then he says they want to play for a contender. San Jose, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit, etc.

So, is he saying Ottawa is not a contender? If they are, then it's not a matter of winning as it is something else (taxes).

So if everyone had this mentality, there would be no Canadian teams, since it's pointless playing here, because they lose so much money to taxation.

But there are Canadian teams (7, in fact), and they have players who have re-signed, signed or accepted trades. So only those players do not care about money or winning.

So if Canadian cities do not offer a chance to win, or a chance to save money, why play for a Canadian team?

Next, it will be again anti-Nash in that only bunghole do this. So, anyone not playing for a Canadian city is an bunghole.

Brad Richards is an bunghole. Zdeno Chara, also an bunghole.

But I guess it will be argued that only Nash and Heatley are bunghole.

Not everyone is Ryan Smyth, dude. How you haven't actually just looked at the past 20-25 years of hockey and not come to the conclussion that life is a little better int he US, down south, when you have money.

Get a clue man.

So, again, by your arguments, everyone that is playing for a Canadian city, by choice, is dumb. I mean, how could you defend your argument from that? You said yourself you'd be stupid as a rich athlete to live in Canada.



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873What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:19 pm

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Oh and I forgot, if you make your home in an American city with a climate similar to that of a Canadian city, it's ok to move because the US > Canada.

But if you made Canada a home, you are better to stay there. Even though the same rules apply, that USA>Canada.

874What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:19 pm

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this Nash doesn't want to play in Canada stuff is funny considering Toronto is on his list

875What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:19 pm

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NEELY wrote:Point being is a dollar gets you a lot more in the US then it does in Canada. Yah, for every day citizens Canada is a better place to be for a lot of reasons. For a rich athlete that doesn't make their home in Canada, lol, no one is coming to any Canadian team, especially not Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, or Winnipeg.

No doubt. A magazine that costs you 8 bucks here will run you 1.50 in the US.

876What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:20 pm

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Big Ev wrote:this Nash doesn't want to play in Canada stuff is funny considering Toronto is on his list

Vertigo

Neely will have to add a new rule: if you were born and/or raised in a city or close to it, it is ok to sign or get traded there. Even if you can make more $$$ in the USofA and wear shorts year round.

877What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:22 pm

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Riprock wrote:
Big Ev wrote:this Nash doesn't want to play in Canada stuff is funny considering Toronto is on his list

Vertigo

Neely will have to add a new rule: if you were bron and/or raised in a city or close to it, it is ok to sign or get traded there. Even if you can make more $$$ in the USofA and wear shorts year round.

And flip-flops. Pro athletes love to wear those ridiculous things.

878What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:23 pm

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what about Crocs?

879What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:23 pm

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Riprock wrote:what about Crocs?

Equally ridiculous.

880What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:24 pm

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Big Ev wrote:this Nash doesn't want to play in Canada stuff is funny considering Toronto is on his list
Toronto is not apparently on his list. I think that was "confirmed" last week, not sure how though... who has this list anyway outside of the GM and Nash and Nash's agent... unless the agent leaked it.... who knows.

881What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:24 pm

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What is the summer footwear of choice in Morrisburg?

What is your opinion on barefoot shoes?

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/index.htm

882What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:25 pm

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Riprock wrote:
NEELY wrote:
If you are established in a city that's fine, it's your home. Why don't you think big name UFA's come to Canada? Who was the last really big name to sign in any Canadian city? Gonchar? Only reason he did was because no team in the NHL would give him a 3 year deal. Camellari? Was in Canada already and was offered a stupid amount every other team refused to pay by the Canadians.

So because there are few examples of FA's signing in canada, that is your argument. But when a player re-signs, it is different, because they might as well stay since they are already there. But when players leave non-Canadian cities for a different one after many years, its not the same.

Stop trying to justify BS because of what you "believe in". Guys want to play for big money, with nice weather, away from the stupid Canadian media. Nash doesn't want to play in Canada buddy, get with it. Neither did Heatley. Neither would anyone asking for a trade that has a high profile.

It's not what I believe in, I am making a valid argument, something you have never done. In fact, if anyone is arguing from belief, it's you. It is your belief that nobody signs in Canada. It's your belief people prefer warm climates over typical Canadian ones. So is it only justifiable for you to have beliefs and nobody else?

Anyways, like most things you are completely out to lunch because you have a very uneducated opinion. Par for the course I guess.

Again, because I have a different argument than you, I am automatically wrong. What is uneducated about my argument? That I broke your argument down and contradicted you, so you personally attack me?

Nope, I just deal with facts for the most part. Can't really argue those.

883What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:26 pm

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What facts? I don't see any facts that are any different from anything I said. Opinions aren't facts. A small sample size can hardly be considered a fact.

884What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:26 pm

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Big Ev wrote:this Nash doesn't want to play in Canada stuff is funny considering Toronto is on his list

Not even on his list anymore.

885What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:28 pm

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Riprock wrote:What is the summer footwear of choice in Morrisburg?

What is your opinion on barefoot shoes?

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/index.htm

Most people wear open-toed shoes of some sort. I wear espadrilles.

886What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:30 pm

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Big Ev wrote:this Nash doesn't want to play in Canada stuff is funny considering Toronto is on his list

Toronto is on every player's list because everyone wants to play for the Leafs.

Seriously, Leafs were said to be on his list at the deadline but not now, but who knows with 100% certainty who's on his list ? Recent info says they are not and neither is any Canadian team so that's all we have to go on.

Some players do want to play in Canada (Hamhuis) and some don't (Corvo). Naturally you take more money home in the US due to better taxes and larger markets give you more endorsement opportunities. So if you really care about $$, the USA is the place for you. But everyone is different. Generally speaking, high profile players do not sign in Canada nor do they waive their NMC to play there.

887What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:30 pm

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Your facts are:

USA has less taxes compared to Canada. Ok.

So explain again why people choose to play in Canada?

You basically argue that some people choose to play in canada, but would be foolish to do so, because they could save millions playing in the USA.

But it seems to not apply to some people for you. That seems to make them foolish people. But you say "no, its because they are already there, so that's ok". So it's ok to stay in Canada and lose millions of dollars, but its not ok to sign in canada and lose millions of dollars.

888What does it take to get Nash? - Page 59 Empty Re: What does it take to get Nash? Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:30 pm

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Dash has to be the most naive or totally ignorant person on this form, lol. It would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.

If a player has a home in a city, be it Columbus, Ottawa, NYR, w/e, yah, chances are they will resign him like has always been the case and both sides tend to be happy.

Hey Dash, you know these people/plays have families right? Like kids in school, established in a community, etc. So yah, that plays a role.

If you up and leave a team, guess what? You are going to the States if you have any kind of celebrity behind your name or make a real good chunk of change.

Make your argument and point out how many UFA's have come to Canada in the last 10 years we'll say or gusy that have demanded a trade and landed here that actually have a choice. Go for it champ, looking forward to it. I could save you some time and post a big blank list, but I'll let you do that.

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