2012/13 Lineup

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, Boro's got a ways to go if he's gonna take penalties like he's doing this year. Bad positioning is what it must be.

Not really, based on everything I have seen and heard it's more him trying to be aggressive and perhaps taking things a little too far. Needs to bring it back a bit but that's what the learning curve is all about. He's not having a bad year at all all things considered.

Gryba being a RH shot puts him a little ahead fair or not, that's the way it is.

Are you sure? I haven't heard glowing reviews from anyone really about his performance. We'll see how Mac and Murray decide, but I could see him getting a full year down there and Wiercioch, Benoit and perhaps even Gryba getting a call ahead of him. We'll see I guess. Too bad about Lundin, he's the guy that could have benefited from this the very most.

It's probably good they get Wiercioch and Benoit into the lineup it's a good thing. They are flying in the AHL and are ahead of anyone that hasn't played a game since the end of their season last year.

Borowiecki is having a so-so year, I have watched most of their games. He's been good physically and I'm sure he's awesome in the dressing room. But he has cost some games by taking some stupid penalties at a very bad time. it's no big deal in the AHL but if you play like that as a call up in the NHL you get sent back the following morning.

No doubt but it's not a matter of being lazy, slow, or out of position. It's a matter of not being able to control that emotion and energy. He does have to learn how to play on the line and not go over it.

Weircioch is the no brainer, he's a Sen.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, Boro's got a ways to go if he's gonna take penalties like he's doing this year. Bad positioning is what it must be.

Not really, based on everything I have seen and heard it's more him trying to be aggressive and perhaps taking things a little too far. Needs to bring it back a bit but that's what the learning curve is all about. He's not having a bad year at all all things considered.

Gryba being a RH shot puts him a little ahead fair or not, that's the way it is.

The latest 5-on-3 he caused was a high stick. I don't remember the previous one. Wait, let me look it up -- yeah, it was high sticking both times. But two games before that he took a tripping penalty shortly after they killed a penalty off, and another time he took a tripping penalty early into a PK. So three times this year (almost 4).

So, how's this gonna shake out?

Latendresse - Spezza - Michalek

Silfverberg - Turris - Alfredsson

Greening - Z.Smith - Neil

Regin - O'Brien - Condra

Daugavins

Notes: Latendresse and Silfverberg are exchangeable, as are Regin or Greening moving into the top six. I think they like Spezza, Turris and Smith down the middle, so that's probably where it's at, with O'Brien as the 4th line C.

The two BIG question marks are obviously the LWs in the top 6. The short camp could make or break a player's chance to play with Spezza or Alfie.

Methot - Karlsson - good mix here, should be fine

Phillips - Gonchar - thank goodness Murray re-signed Phillips, saved our arses right now

Wiercioch - Benoit - obviously there's other player who can make it here

So...it's the 5-6 role that needs to be won or lost at camp. Between Wiercioch, Benoit, Boroweicki and Gryba I assume. Even Eckford has been excellent in Bingo from what I've seen.

Anderson

Bishop

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, Boro's got a ways to go if he's gonna take penalties like he's doing this year. Bad positioning is what it must be.

Not really, based on everything I have seen and heard it's more him trying to be aggressive and perhaps taking things a little too far. Needs to bring it back a bit but that's what the learning curve is all about. He's not having a bad year at all all things considered.

Gryba being a RH shot puts him a little ahead fair or not, that's the way it is.

The latest 5-on-3 he caused was a high stick. I don't remember the previous one. Wait, let me look it up -- yeah, it was high sticking both times. But two games before that he took a tripping penalty shortly after they killed a penalty off, and another time he took a tripping penalty early into a PK. So three times this year (almost 4).

Again, it has to do with being overly aggressive. D men take penalties, especially ones who play a physical brand of hockey. Tripping, slashing, high sticking, roughing, w/e. Either way I don't believe he is ready for full time NHL duty right now and needs to find the line and edge he has to play with.

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, Boro's got a ways to go if he's gonna take penalties like he's doing this year. Bad positioning is what it must be.

Not really, based on everything I have seen and heard it's more him trying to be aggressive and perhaps taking things a little too far. Needs to bring it back a bit but that's what the learning curve is all about. He's not having a bad year at all all things considered.

Gryba being a RH shot puts him a little ahead fair or not, that's the way it is.

The latest 5-on-3 he caused was a high stick. I don't remember the previous one. Wait, let me look it up -- yeah, it was high sticking both times. But two games before that he took a tripping penalty shortly after they killed a penalty off, and another time he took a tripping penalty early into a PK. So three times this year (almost 4).

It's not just Boro. They are down 2-0 after 1, having taken 4 penalties and trailing 13-3 in the shot count. You can't take that many penalties.

SpezDispenser wrote:So, how's this gonna shake out?

Latendresse - Spezza - Michalek

Silfverberg - Turris - Alfredsson

Greening - Z.Smith - Neil

Regin - O'Brien - Condra

Daugavins

Notes: Latendresse and Silfverberg are exchangeable, as are Regin or Greening moving into the top six. I think they like Spezza, Turris and Smith down the middle, so that's probably where it's at, with O'Brien as the 4th line C.

The two BIG question marks are obviously the LWs in the top 6. The short camp could make or break a player's chance to play with Spezza or Alfie.

Methot - Karlsson - good mix here, should be fine

Phillips - Gonchar - thank goodness Murray re-signed Phillips, saved our arses right now

Wiercioch - Benoit - obviously there's other player who can make it here

So...it's the 5-6 role that needs to be won or lost at camp. Between Wiercioch, Benoit, Boroweicki and Gryba I assume. Even Eckford has been excellent in Bingo from what I've seen.

Anderson

Bishop

Short season man, add another D and forward. They won't be playing without 23 men and I would say that about all NHL teams.

True, but that's the core of players we have to play this season. Add in Gryba I would imagine to practice up here in Ottawa and perhaps add in another forward, but I think they'll just go with 22 so as not to completely Diddle Bingo.

you guys don't think boro's been trying to show he could be replacing carkner as far as being aggressive. i mean he's probably seeing the compatition and he's try to fill more then one spot.

He's absolutely trying to find his game. He has more A Train than Carkner though and thats what he needs to be.

Flo The Action wrote:you guys don't think boro's been trying to show he could be replacing carkner as far as being aggressive. i mean he's probably seeing the compatition and he's try to fill more then one spot.

Probably, it's up to Mac and Richardson to have a good talk about it and figure it out.

SpezDispenser wrote:True, but that's the core of players we have to play this season. Add in Gryba I would imagine to practice up here in Ottawa and perhaps add in another forward, but I think they'll just go with 22 so as not to completely Diddle Bingo.

They dont care about taking players from Bingo... why would they? They have a responsibility to put the best team on the ice and with guys like Gonchar and Phillips back there they will need the extra body.

They want Bingo to do well, no question but they don't care who they bring up. The Murray's have given Bingo a ton of prospects and they will make due with those like every other franchise in the AHL.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:True, but that's the core of players we have to play this season. Add in Gryba I would imagine to practice up here in Ottawa and perhaps add in another forward, but I think they'll just go with 22 so as not to completely Diddle Bingo.

They dont care about taking players from Bingo... why would they? They have a responsibility to put the best team on the ice and with guys like Gonchar and Phillips back there they will need the extra body.

They want Bingo to do well, no question but they don't care who they bring up. The Murray's have given Bingo a ton of prospects and they will make due with those like every other franchise in the AHL.

Definitely, but if you're gonna bring up Wiercioch, Benoit and Gryba, then you should probably leave it at that. Not to mention Silfverberg and Bishop/Lehner are coming up too.

If there's an injury, bang up comes Boroweicki or Eckford or whatever, but if you're doing it just to have depth, you HAVE depth 4 hours away or whatever it is.

Besides, what Murray has done is amazing. Even if Wiercioch and Benoit and Gryna and Silf leave, they still have guys who can play AHL hockey: W.Hamilton, Cowick gets a bigger role, Wideman can play more minutes, Blood can be called up (he will be for sure IMO), Kramer can be called up, Caporusso, they can trade for a depth player. There's a ton of options.

Blood is an example of a guy when the facemask came off he became a lot less effective. Fake tough guy IMO, fake pro, won't make it.

Perhaps, but this is a big chance for him to play a tough, intimidating brand of hockey or spend a lot of time in Elmira.

Eckford is not even a longshot. Wiercioch and Benoit because of the way they've played; Boro because he's already seen NHL action and certainly brings an edge they are missing since Carkner left; Gryba because he is actually a RHS.