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3912012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:49 am

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NEELY wrote:Smith, Greening, Stone, Silfverbrg isn't capable of putting in 15 goals?

But we already had Smith and Greening putting up 15 goals, WITH Foligno. How do they replace Foligno's offense unless they're putting up last year's numbers PLUS Foligno's absent numbers?

For the rookies who have played 1-2 NHL games, no, I don't feel comfortable penciling them in to replace the goal and point totals of a 4-5 year NHL vet. They are question marks -- hope for the best, plan for the worst.

3922012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:50 am

stempniaksen


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Right now our three top left wingers put up about 20 goals combined last season. I know that some of those guys will obviously put up more (Silf actually playing in the NHL and Latendresse hopefully staying healthy), but that's what has people worried.

One of the weaknesses going into the off-season was a need for a top-six winger to boot Greening down the lineup and/or potentially replace Alfie. Instead of adding one we traded one away and are left with a bunch of question marks.

3932012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:50 am

NEELY


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If you're worries about the Murray's bringing in guys coming off injury filled years might as well have beer and chill out because that's what they do. Draft, UFA, trade, w/e. They feel they have a great training staff and can get these players back to the level they were at before and better.

3942012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:50 am

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wild card is regin....he contributed what 2-3 goals only?

Ideally you hope turris improves along with regin to replace the lost offense from foligno, but that's alot of 'if's along the way.

3952012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:51 am

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NEELY wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
NEELY wrote:Which rookie is going to be starting in the top 6?

Right now the top 5 guys are Alfi, Spezza, Michalek, Latendresse, and Turris. If they actually do make a move for another winger which they obviously want to and have to plan for... which rookie starts in the top 6?

Say Latendresse does get injured... that's when a rookie might step in.

Like I said, if Latendresse is a hail mary pass and there's a plan to bring in another winger, I am totally fine with our situation. My worry is that we're done, tho', but I sure hope not.

Anyway, look at the top 6 you've listed. Turris -- great potential, but unproven as of yet. Alfie -- may well retire for all we know. Michalek -- always an injury risk. Latendresse -- doubly so an injury risk. We could spend large parts of this year with only 3-4 of those guys in our top 6, and with tweeners and rookies filling the spots the rest of the time.

We've left ourselves no wiggle room, not at the moment, anyway.

By that logic Pitt is in trouble because of Crosby's injuries.

Yah, people get hurt. If it happens the Sens are in trouble.

My point is that we're setting ourselves up, putting ourselves in a dangerous position, to land in that trouble. Obviously, there's luck -- but there's also planning.

I don't want to get too ahead of myself here. Latendresse is a fine hail mary signing if that's all it is. If he's "it" for the top 6 tinkering, then that's bad planning.

3962012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:52 am

NEELY


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rooneypoo wrote:
NEELY wrote:Smith, Greening, Stone, Silfverbrg isn't capable of putting in 15 goals?

But we already had Smith and Greening putting up 15 goals, WITH Foligno. How do they replace Foligno's offense unless they're putting up last year's numbers PLUS Foligno's absent numbers?

For the rookies who have played 1-2 NHL games, no, I don't feel comfortable penciling them in to replace the goal and point totals of a 4-5 year NHL vet. They are question marks -- hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Someone else will always get a chance. You telling me you can't see Silfverberg scoring 15? You don't think Smith will build on a solid 1st season? You don't think Turris will put up a little more than 29 points?

Foligno's offense is easily replaced whether it's by 1 player or comity. Alfi and Turris padded his stats pretty well towards the end of the year as well... they can do it for someone else too.

3972012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:53 am

NEELY


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Michallica wrote:wild card is regin....he contributed what 2-3 goals only?

Ideally you hope turris improves along with regin to replace the lost offense from foligno, but that's alot of 'if's along the way.

That's the other one. If Regin plays 65-70 games, he probably scores 15.

3982012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:56 am

stempniaksen

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NEELY wrote:
Michallica wrote:wild card is regin....he contributed what 2-3 goals only?

Ideally you hope turris improves along with regin to replace the lost offense from foligno, but that's alot of 'if's along the way.

That's the other one. If Regin plays 65-70 games, he probably scores 15.

Bingo.

If Latendresse. If Regin. If Greening. If Silverberg. If Sone.

That's a lot of "if's" and not a whole lot of proven.

3992012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:06 am

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stempniaksen wrote:
NEELY wrote:
Michallica wrote:wild card is regin....he contributed what 2-3 goals only?

Ideally you hope turris improves along with regin to replace the lost offense from foligno, but that's alot of 'if's along the way.

That's the other one. If Regin plays 65-70 games, he probably scores 15.

Bingo.

If Latendresse. If Regin. If Greening. If Silverberg. If Sone.

That's a lot of "if's" and not a whole lot of proven.

Foligno was the biggest IF of them all.

4002012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:07 am

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stempniaksen wrote:
If Latendresse. If Regin. If Greening. If Silverberg. If Sone.

That's a lot of "if's" and not a whole lot of proven.

There's almost nothing "proven" out there. Nash won't come here, and the FA pool is weak.

Low risk "ifs" are the next best thing, especially if they're our prospects that the organization has a lot of faith in.

4012012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:10 am

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stempniaksen wrote:
NEELY wrote:
Michallica wrote:wild card is regin....he contributed what 2-3 goals only?

Ideally you hope turris improves along with regin to replace the lost offense from foligno, but that's alot of 'if's along the way.

That's the other one. If Regin plays 65-70 games, he probably scores 15.

Bingo.

If Latendresse. If Regin. If Greening. If Silverberg. If Sone.

That's a lot of "if's" and not a whole lot of proven.

Like last year you mean?

4022012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:13 am

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rooneypoo wrote:
LOL, no, that's not what I'm saying, at all. I'm saying with no Foligno and Latendresse out, we're short one a guy putting up 15+ goals and 40+ points, AND we haven't don't anything to add to our top 6. We have a bunch of rookies who may or may not thrive. You don't "pencil in" guys we already have to replace Foligno, because we had them both at one time, and now we have just the one.

...but you have Greening who can move back into a top six role. You have Latendresse. You have one of the league's top prospects in Silfverberg.

But the most fun of it all: you have Zibanejad, Stone, Silfverberg and Hoffman all beating each other to death to make the NHL. One of them will make it if there's injuries and have an impact, I have faith in that.

4032012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:14 am

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Someone will step up and fill a hole from within. Even if 3 of 4 fail, 1 won't. That's all you need.

4042012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:16 am

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Basically, what I see changing here is:

1.Greening off the top line - replaced by Silfverberg. Silf has a ton of skill, so matching Greening's 17 goals shouldn't be a huge issue IMO.

2.Foligno off the 2nd line - replaced by Latendresse. Absolutely no issue there for us - except that Latendresse isn't as physical.

3.Greening replaces Foligno - who tweened between the 3rd and 2nd lines. No problems there either.

So in essence, people are worried about Silfverberg, when they probably shouldn't be.

I'M worried about the offense from the back end - and still Lundin doesn't strike any confidence at all there.

4052012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:20 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:Basically, what I see changing here is:

1.Greening off the top line - replaced by Silfverberg. Silf has a ton of skill, so matching Greening's 17 goals shouldn't be a huge issue IMO.

2.Foligno off the 2nd line - replaced by Latendresse. Absolutely no issue there for us - except that Latendresse isn't as physical.

3.Greening replaces Foligno - who tweened between the 3rd and 2nd lines. No problems there either.

So in essence, people are worried about Silfverberg, when they probably shouldn't be.

I'M worried about the offense from the back end - and still Lundin doesn't strike any confidence at all there.

Even then, so what if the difference between Folgino and who ever does take his spot is 5 goal... Ottawa will give up a lot less than that based on a solid defense and way better goaltending.

And when did Foligno become some offensive stud? It's a good possibility he just had his best season production wise he may ever have. Usually happens around 24, 25 too.

4062012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:23 am

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NEELY wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:Basically, what I see changing here is:

1.Greening off the top line - replaced by Silfverberg. Silf has a ton of skill, so matching Greening's 17 goals shouldn't be a huge issue IMO.

2.Foligno off the 2nd line - replaced by Latendresse. Absolutely no issue there for us - except that Latendresse isn't as physical.

3.Greening replaces Foligno - who tweened between the 3rd and 2nd lines. No problems there either.

So in essence, people are worried about Silfverberg, when they probably shouldn't be.

I'M worried about the offense from the back end - and still Lundin doesn't strike any confidence at all there.

Even then, so what if the difference between Folgino and who ever does take his spot is 5 goal... Ottawa will give up a lot less than that based on a solid defense and way better goaltending.

And when did Foligno become some offensive stud? It's a good possibility he just had his best season production wise he may ever have. Usually happens around 24, 25 too.

You'll get no argument from me. I don't think people yet realize that we added a thumping D-man who can block shots and hit guys. We'll be running around a lot less in our own zone - hopefully anyway.

Lower the GAA - which I believe lowered substantially after the horrific first month of the season anyway, but lower it some more and that's the same as scoring goals. We've subtracted 1 guy from our forwards - and he scored 15 goals or whatever. He can and will be replaced by Latendresse - without question. Now...it's time for a rookie to take the other slot and run with it.

4072012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:23 am

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SpezDispenser wrote:So in essence, people are worried about Silfverberg, when they probably shouldn't be.

No, I'm worried about Latendresse and his ability to stay healthy, because if he goes down our left side looks mighty questionable.

4082012/13 Lineup - Page 27 Empty Re: 2012/13 Lineup Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:23 am

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There were a lot of IFs last year too.

By all accounts, the Parise/Suter situations are holding up the trade market. Let's wait and see what we have in October before we hit the PANIC button.

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