Trade Bonanza 2012! Speculation, Rumours, the Works!

Riprock wrote:Well, I think this is all moot anyways since Murray said he won't be buying, unless someone offers him a worth while deal. But safe to say he won't pursue anything.

If and when he makes changes, I think July 1 is that period.

It's not as black and white as that:

SENS AT THE DEADLINE

Ottawa’s slide down the standings has certainly tied the hands of GM Bryan Murray. He can’t commit to being a buyer or seller at this point with his team on the playoff bubble.

"The one thing we have is a plan going forward, we think we know that we have some young kids coming that are valuable and we’re not going to trade them," Murray told ESPN.com earlier this week. "We’ll see if there’s anything that makes sense, but in all likelihood it’s status quo at the moment, anyway."

In a perfect world, if the Senators can climb back up the standings over the next two weeks and gain more comfort from the danger zone, they’ll look to add a forward.

"We’ll see, we’ll let it play out here," Murray said. "If we bounce back, we may have to make a different decision. But at the moment, we’re just going to hold and see if we can get our better players to play better."

Murray hasn’t sat on his hands over the past month, though.

"I did make a couple of calls," Murray said. "I found out an approximate price. It’s not cheap. I don’t know how many trades there are going to be this year, but the people selling are going to have high demands. It sounds like that anyway."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/14557/rumblings-sellers-starting-to-emerge

Dubinsky is a nice player, but he isn't that scoring winger we need. Dubinsky has 22 pts in 49 games this year so far. He's more of a gritty, checking, leadership type guy, and I think we can agree that's what we don't need. Plus, he makes $4.2M.

tim1_2 wrote:Dubinsky is a nice player, but he isn't that scoring winger we need. Dubinsky has 22 pts in 49 games this year so far. He's more of a gritty, checking, leadership type guy, and I think we can agree that's what we don't need. Plus, he makes $4.2M.

In return for Zib? PASS!

tim1_2 wrote:Dubinsky is a nice player, but he isn't that scoring winger we need. Dubinsky has 22 pts in 49 games this year so far. He's more of a gritty, checking, leadership type guy, and I think we can agree that's what we don't need. Plus, he makes $4.2M.

I'm not even sure there's any scoring wingers to be had, at all. Ruutu is more like what you described above re. Dubinsky. Hemsky and the Wizard are more playmakers than anything. I suppose Carter is about all there is?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Dubinsky is a nice player, but he isn't that scoring winger we need. Dubinsky has 22 pts in 49 games this year so far. He's more of a gritty, checking, leadership type guy, and I think we can agree that's what we don't need. Plus, he makes $4.2M.

I'm not even sure there's any scoring wingers to be had, at all. Ruutu is more like what you described above re. Dubinsky. Hemsky and the Wizard are more playmakers than anything. I suppose Carter is about all there is?

If Carter is available and the price is not outrageous -- i.e., a 1st plus a guy like Pumpel, Noesen, or Prince, & a 3rd (we have two this year) -- I think you would have to give that some serious consideration. I'd prefer Parise, of course, and an FA signing generally to save us the assets, but still, there's no question that this team is in desperate need of a top-line winger to replace an aging Alfie.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Dubinsky is a nice player, but he isn't that scoring winger we need. Dubinsky has 22 pts in 49 games this year so far. He's more of a gritty, checking, leadership type guy, and I think we can agree that's what we don't need. Plus, he makes $4.2M.

I'm not even sure there's any scoring wingers to be had, at all. Ruutu is more like what you described above re. Dubinsky. Hemsky and the Wizard are more playmakers than anything. I suppose Carter is about all there is?

If Carter is available and the price is not outrageous -- i.e., a 1st plus a guy like Pumpel, Noesen, or Prince, & a 3rd (we have two this year) -- I think you would have to give that some serious consideration. I'd prefer Parise, of course, and an FA signing generally to save us the assets, but still, there's no question that this team is in desperate need of a top-line winger to replace an aging Alfie.

Adding a Carter could very well attract Parise. As for The Alfie, I watch him play and say to myself this guy is STILL the best player on this team most nights. Are you f-ing kidding me?!?!?!? All hail The Alfie.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Dubinsky is a nice player, but he isn't that scoring winger we need. Dubinsky has 22 pts in 49 games this year so far. He's more of a gritty, checking, leadership type guy, and I think we can agree that's what we don't need. Plus, he makes $4.2M.

I'm not even sure there's any scoring wingers to be had, at all. Ruutu is more like what you described above re. Dubinsky. Hemsky and the Wizard are more playmakers than anything. I suppose Carter is about all there is?

If Carter is available and the price is not outrageous -- i.e., a 1st plus a guy like Pumpel, Noesen, or Prince, & a 3rd (we have two this year) -- I think you would have to give that some serious consideration. I'd prefer Parise, of course, and an FA signing generally to save us the assets, but still, there's no question that this team is in desperate need of a top-line winger to replace an aging Alfie.

Adding a Carter could very well attract Parise. As for The Alfie, I watch him play and say to myself this guy is STILL the best player on this team most nights. Are you f-ing kidding me?!?!?!? All hail The Alfie.

No question. But when we lose him, which will be at the end of this year or next, we will be losing our best winger & our leader. We need to bring in someone ASAP who can help to fill that gap. Michalek, as much as I like him, doesn't quite appear to be that player. We're, frankly, in rather rough shape if we don't land a guy like Parise soon.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Dubinsky is a nice player, but he isn't that scoring winger we need. Dubinsky has 22 pts in 49 games this year so far. He's more of a gritty, checking, leadership type guy, and I think we can agree that's what we don't need. Plus, he makes $4.2M.

I'm not even sure there's any scoring wingers to be had, at all. Ruutu is more like what you described above re. Dubinsky. Hemsky and the Wizard are more playmakers than anything. I suppose Carter is about all there is?

Our best answer to the "scoring winger" question might come from within in the form of Silfverberg and Zibanejad (what a mouthful that duo will be), and maybe Stone, etc…

And then there's this Parise guy I've heard about.

I think that Murray has an eye to the future and likely believes that it's not really worth paying a steep price via trade for a Ruutu, Dubinsky, Carter, etc, when we very well might develop our own versions of these players over the next few years.

And then we'll take a shot at Parise too.

If we're going to make a big trade for a player of importance, I would rather it be for a defenceman at this point (although I know Murray said a while ago that he was happy with the D corps).

Did I miss something? Why is adding Carter even being discussed? I get that we have a need for more top-6 forwards, but there are nothing but question marks surrounding Carter. His cap hit is $5.3M until 2021-22, when he'll be 36 or 37. He's had injuries this year, and has 19 pts in 33 games. Plus, from many accounts, his character is questionable. Is this the guy you want around (forever) as we try to develop all of our promising young players???

There are many better options, including the status quo.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Dubinsky is a nice player, but he isn't that scoring winger we need. Dubinsky has 22 pts in 49 games this year so far. He's more of a gritty, checking, leadership type guy, and I think we can agree that's what we don't need. Plus, he makes $4.2M.

I'm not even sure there's any scoring wingers to be had, at all. Ruutu is more like what you described above re. Dubinsky. Hemsky and the Wizard are more playmakers than anything. I suppose Carter is about all there is?

If Carter is available and the price is not outrageous -- i.e., a 1st plus a guy like Pumpel, Noesen, or Prince, & a 3rd (we have two this year) -- I think you would have to give that some serious consideration. I'd prefer Parise, of course, and an FA signing generally to save us the assets, but still, there's no question that this team is in desperate need of a top-line winger to replace an aging Alfie.

Adding a Carter could very well attract Parise. As for The Alfie, I watch him play and say to myself this guy is STILL the best player on this team most nights. Are you f-ing kidding me?!?!?!? All hail The Alfie.

No question. But when we lose him, which will be at the end of this year or next, we will be losing our best winger & our leader. We need to bring in someone ASAP who can help to fill that gap. Michalek, as much as I like him, doesn't quite appear to be that player. We're, frankly, in rather rough shape if we don't land a guy like Parise soon.

Yup. And ideally have some overlap in that transition. Although, I think bringing in "a" leader as opposed to "the" future leader isn't quite so necessary as we all know that young Spezza is that guy.

Riprock wrote:Well, I think this is all moot anyways since Murray said he won't be buying, unless someone offers him a worth while deal. But safe to say he won't pursue anything.

If and when he makes changes, I think July 1 is that period.

So he says...

SpezDispenser wrote:

Riprock wrote:My only guess is that the Rangers would move him to make room for a Bobby Ryan or Suter/Weber/Parise.

I am not a fan of the Rangers for the simple fact that it seems like Sather lacks foresight and only worries about the team's roster one year at a time. While he's managed to absolutely steal contracts from players like Staal and Dubinsky he loads up on talent and contracts and finds a way to make it all work later. I can't wait for it to blow up in his face and he has to lose some great players.

But if the sens couldn't get Parise, (and Nash was also out of the question) I woud want B-Dubs.

Dubinsky would take Zibanejad - perhaps a + in there too. Still want him?

Dubinsky has had a terrible year and he is sliding down the depth charting in New York.

The more I think about it, as much as I like what he does, I don't think he's what the Sens need.

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Riprock wrote:My only guess is that the Rangers would move him to make room for a Bobby Ryan or Suter/Weber/Parise.

I am not a fan of the Rangers for the simple fact that it seems like Sather lacks foresight and only worries about the team's roster one year at a time. While he's managed to absolutely steal contracts from players like Staal and Dubinsky he loads up on talent and contracts and finds a way to make it all work later. I can't wait for it to blow up in his face and he has to lose some great players.

But if the sens couldn't get Parise, (and Nash was also out of the question) I woud want B-Dubs.

Dubinsky would take Zibanejad - perhaps a + in there too. Still want him?

Dubinsky has had a terrible year and he is sliding down the depth charting in New York.

I like how every time a "name" player gets mentioned it's supposed to cost "Zibanejad +."

I like how everytime a player is rumoured to be available the Rangers are going to get them.

Riprock wrote:I like how everytime a player is rumoured to be available the Rangers are going to get them.

How can this guy NOT get what he wants?



Look at him with his big cee - gar there working the phones and looking all like "I'm a very powerful man and I'm used to getting what I want..."

tim1_2 wrote:Did I miss something? Why is adding Carter even being discussed? I get that we have a need for more top-6 forwards, but there are nothing but question marks surrounding Carter. His cap hit is $5.3M until 2021-22, when he'll be 36 or 37. He's had injuries this year, and has 19 pts in 33 games. Plus, from many accounts, his character is questionable. Is this the guy you want around (forever) as we try to develop all of our promising young players???

There are many better options, including the status quo.

Well, that's where I disagree. I think the status quo minus Alfie could be death/misery for this team. We need to add bonafide top-end talent in the very near future -- and there's only so much of it available.

Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Puempel, Prince... all these guys are years away from being top-line players putting up 30+ goals & 60+ points. If they ever get there -- because they may never get there. In the meantime, there's hockey to be played, and this team looks very, very shallow up front -- skill wise & leadership wise -- without Alfie.

Carter is a 40+ goal scores and a legit top-6er. I'm not his biggest fan, but he's someone we absolutely have to consider if he's available.

rooneypoo wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Did I miss something? Why is adding Carter even being discussed? I get that we have a need for more top-6 forwards, but there are nothing but question marks surrounding Carter. His cap hit is $5.3M until 2021-22, when he'll be 36 or 37. He's had injuries this year, and has 19 pts in 33 games. Plus, from many accounts, his character is questionable. Is this the guy you want around (forever) as we try to develop all of our promising young players???

There are many better options, including the status quo.

Well, that's where I disagree. I think the status quo minus Alfie could be death/misery for this team. We need to add bonafide top-end talent in the very near future -- and there's only so much of it available.

Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Puempel, Prince... all these guys are years away from being top-line players putting up 30+ goals & 60+ points. If they ever get there -- because they may never get there. In the meantime, there's hockey to be played, and this team looks very, very shallow up front -- skill wise & leadership wise -- without Alfie.

Carter is a 40+ goal scores and a legit top-6er. I'm not his biggest fan, but he's someone we absolutely have to consider if he's available.

If you're a big CHL fan and you fantasize about some player being a big star on your favourite NHL team you can never understand why proven talent is better than potential.