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The Curious Case of Barry Brust...

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The Ottawa Senators have had a tough time nailing down a starting goaltender - especially in this wonky year that's been. They've finally found someone who at 29 is in the prime of his career and is saying all the right things - and is stopping the puck! What an idea that is!

So now the job gets a little easier, it's time to find a back-up. Now, keep in mind that the back-up will probably play a bare minimum of 15 games next year, it's only logical to say that Anderson will get between 60-65 starts. Looking at it from that point of view, it's not a significant number. However, as we all know by now, making the playoffs can be a fickle beast. At the end of a hard fought season you could miss by 2 point, 4 points, or lose in a shoot out like the Rangers of last year - in other words, every point counts, so this is a much more important decision than just simply putting pen to paper of the first guy that comes around. He has to fit in with the team, he has to drive Anderson and he has to get along with Anderson.

The initial knee-jerk reaction would be the re-sign Mcelhinney to a cheap, 1 year contract and call it a day. Then, move to shore up the depth in the system by re-signing Barry Brust. Sounds easy enough, shouldn't be too many issues - unless Brust wants to go overseas for the money, but he's treated as a rock star in Binghamton right now, so there's really little to indicate that he would leave.

But what happens when the Sens insist on Robin Lehner getting at least 50 starts in the AHL? All of a sudden Brust, one of the year's MVPs in the AHL, is designated to back-up...in the AHL no less. What to do with that?

Well, the other knee-jerk reaction would be to simply sign him as the back-up to Anderson next year, after all he's sporting a .925 save % for the B-Sens and is directly responsible for their rise to a playoff spot, he should be able to back-up in the NHL, right? The answer to that would be: who knows? Maybe he comes into a situation in Ottawa and absolutely sucks, not being able to handle the speed, the difference in shots between the two leagues, maybe he simple doesn't have the mental makeup, then what to do? The easiest move would be to sign another goalie - mind you this would be well into the season, so it wouldn't be as easy as it sounds - or just let it happen, but as discussed, sometimes it can come back to bite you at the end of the year. That's not to say that anyone's predicting the Sens to make the playoffs, but it would hurt if that was the reason we missed.

So, finally after Brust has made several back-up appearances and not done well, he's send back down to Bingo. Here's where it can get really tricky. If Lehner falters a bit in the AHL and Brust comes in and does what he's doing this year, Lehner will becomes a 'villain' in a town starved for playoff games. The fans there have already booed Lehner whenever he's made appearances because they prefer to have Brust in there (who can really blame them right now). Will they boo him again if he's the starter and one of the league's MVP's is riding the pine? Very likely.

There's a contingent of us who think that Lehner will need to deal with the boos, the reaction he gets from the fans down there that think this is a mistake - and there will be plenty, rest assured, the other side of the argument is that it will eventually breed contempt. Players don't like to lose, the first time Lehner falters, they'll be expecting Brust to come in - and if he doesn't, there will begin to be some friction between even the players and Lehner. Add to that the boos that will rain down and there's a situation here that can be avoided.

But is it at the expense of Barry Brust? All this to say that this is not an easy decision - at least not as easy as simply signing and designating, there's a lot of emotions that will come into play here if Brust is re-signed and made to play in Bingo. Someone that follows Bingo closely suggested to me the other day that the Sens walk away from Brust. I was shocked and questioned that in a big way, but I'm starting to understand the sentiment.

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Post Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:09 pm by shabbs

SensGirl11 wrote:This is what made me confused about who owned Brust's rights
they still have it listed like this on capgeek

G Barry Brust, Minnesota Wild
That was his last NHL contract...

Post Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:56 am by Cap'n Clutch

I think if Lehner is the real deal and he's given a fair opportunity to get the starts and wrestle the job away from Brust then keeping Brust makes the most sense. I'm not sure if that can happen. If the coach is more confident in Brust will Lehner get a legitimate chance?

wprager

Post Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:14 am by wprager

Lehner should be given every opportunity to play a lion's share of the games but let's not kid ourselves -- he doesn't just deserve it, nor should he continue getting starts if he's not doing the job. With Anderson now signed for 4 years Lehner really needs 2 full seasons in the AHL, so he does not have to be the #1 down there in 2011/12.

PTFlea

Post Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:25 am by PTFlea

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I think if Lehner is the real deal and he's given a fair opportunity to get the starts and wrestle the job away from Brust then keeping Brust makes the most sense. I'm not sure if that can happen. If the coach is more confident in Brust will Lehner get a legitimate chance?

Yeah, that's part of the catch-22 for sure.

Cap'n Clutch

Post Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:24 pm by Cap'n Clutch

Case dismissed? Wink

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Post Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:34 pm by sandysensfan

Hoags wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
That's what this is all about, can they co-exist? It's not a question of whether Lehner can outduel Brust, he can't at this stage of his career, it's a question of whether or not the fans will accept Lehner in Bingo without constantly booing him and causing issues.

Right now Brust is better or Lehner would have taken the #1 job away.

Lehner should get a lot of starts next year, I'd be worried if he can't outplay Brust.

Brust might be a late bloomer, I think LA went through 10 goalies the year Brust played there.

I haven't watched him play so I don't know if Brust is any good, he seems better than Brodeur down there.

Not a bad idea to sign him on a cheap 2-way, Anderson will play 65+ next year.

I'll tell you one thing... Lehner sure did outplay Brust in the playoff run.
If they would have stuck with Brust... it would have been a 1st round exit for the B-Sens.

wprager

Post Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:36 pm by wprager

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Case dismissed? Wink

Huh? Are you saying he's being dismissed or something else?

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Post Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:39 pm by sandysensfan

Brust was supposed to play in Elmira all last season.

The concussion to Brodeur changed all of that.

Brodeur I believe did have offseason surgery... either groin or hip... can't remember which. His concussion is 'healed' -- it's other issues.

When Brodeur played in Ottawa... he was very good.
Brust... we don't know.
Lehner -- needs to play, not sitting on a bench in Ottawa or Bingo.

spader

Post Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:52 pm by spader

sandysensfan wrote:Brust was supposed to play in Elmira all last season.

The concussion to Brodeur changed all of that.

Brodeur I believe did have offseason surgery... either groin or hip... can't remember which. His concussion is 'healed' -- it's other issues.

When Brodeur played in Ottawa... he was very good.
Brust... we don't know.
Lehner -- needs to play, not sitting on a bench in Ottawa or Bingo.

I maintain that they should sign Brust. He can back up Lehner and keep him on his toes. I think Lehner needs that sort of competition.

wprager

Post Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:52 pm by wprager

Lehner interview in which I believe he talks about how Brust helped him.

http://t.co/YK36iXa

PTFlea

Post Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:09 pm by PTFlea

spader wrote:I maintain that they should sign Brust. He can back up Lehner and keep him on his toes. I think Lehner needs that sort of competition.

And also someone who's good enough to take over if Murray's calling up Lehner at any point.

Riprock

Post Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:50 pm by Riprock

Would you guys be ok with Lehner and Brust in Bingo, and Anderson and Brodeur in Ottawa? I would.

Brodeur only needs to start a handful of games probably, and the odd relief job. He'll be affordable and likely won't have many other offers at the NHL. Brust is well liked in Binghamton and gets along well with Lehner it seems.

spader

Post Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:07 pm by spader

Dash wrote:Would you guys be ok with Lehner and Brust in Bingo, and Anderson and Brodeur in Ottawa? I would.

Brodeur only needs to start a handful of games probably, and the odd relief job. He'll be affordable and likely won't have many other offers at the NHL. Brust is well liked in Binghamton and gets along well with Lehner it seems.

Is Brodeur good enough to be a regular backup in the NHL? I'm not sure. I'd rather get an Alex Auld or someone like that. Of course, MB might be fine here. Hard to say.

SensHulk

Post Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:12 pm by SensHulk

Dash wrote:Would you guys be ok with Lehner and Brust in Bingo, and Anderson and Brodeur in Ottawa? I would.

Brodeur only needs to start a handful of games probably, and the odd relief job. He'll be affordable and likely won't have many other offers at the NHL. Brust is well liked in Binghamton and gets along well with Lehner it seems.

I'd be okay too but he is injury prone. I'd like to minimize the callups of Lehner when Brodeur is injured. Personally I think they gotta get Patty Lalime back. What he did in buffalo last year backing up miller and then making way for enroth to play when miller was injured is exactly what Ottawa is looking for. He's usually healthy and as an added bonus of a feel-good storyline, I think having the fans behind it would be no problem. Solid signing if that's the case...everyone wins, including Lalime.

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Post Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:01 pm by sandysensfan

Michallica wrote:
Dash wrote:Would you guys be ok with Lehner and Brust in Bingo, and Anderson and Brodeur in Ottawa? I would.

Brodeur only needs to start a handful of games probably, and the odd relief job. He'll be affordable and likely won't have many other offers at the NHL. Brust is well liked in Binghamton and gets along well with Lehner it seems.

I'd be okay too but he is injury prone. I'd like to minimize the callups of Lehner when Brodeur is injured. Personally I think they gotta get Patty Lalime back. What he did in buffalo last year backing up miller and then making way for enroth to play when miller was injured is exactly what Ottawa is looking for. He's usually healthy and as an added bonus of a feel-good storyline, I think having the fans behind it would be no problem. Solid signing if that's the case...everyone wins, including Lalime.

Lalime, as much as he is a great person, was terrible last year. They could not put him in nets... or it was a loss. Hense the recall of Enroth. No to Lalime.

Someone mentioned somewhere... Turco... Don't know about that either.

The backup has to be able to win games when called upon.

Question is.... who is that goaltender?

PTFlea

Post Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:02 pm by PTFlea

spader wrote:
Dash wrote:Would you guys be ok with Lehner and Brust in Bingo, and Anderson and Brodeur in Ottawa? I would.

Brodeur only needs to start a handful of games probably, and the odd relief job. He'll be affordable and likely won't have many other offers at the NHL. Brust is well liked in Binghamton and gets along well with Lehner it seems.

Is Brodeur good enough to be a regular backup in the NHL? I'm not sure. I'd rather get an Alex Auld or someone like that. Of course, MB might be fine here. Hard to say.

Don't gamble is my opinion, spend the money on Conklin or someone like that.

wprager

Post Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:43 pm by wprager

sandysensfan wrote:
Michallica wrote:
Dash wrote:Would you guys be ok with Lehner and Brust in Bingo, and Anderson and Brodeur in Ottawa? I would.

Brodeur only needs to start a handful of games probably, and the odd relief job. He'll be affordable and likely won't have many other offers at the NHL. Brust is well liked in Binghamton and gets along well with Lehner it seems.

I'd be okay too but he is injury prone. I'd like to minimize the callups of Lehner when Brodeur is injured. Personally I think they gotta get Patty Lalime back. What he did in buffalo last year backing up miller and then making way for enroth to play when miller was injured is exactly what Ottawa is looking for. He's usually healthy and as an added bonus of a feel-good storyline, I think having the fans behind it would be no problem. Solid signing if that's the case...everyone wins, including Lalime.

Lalime, as much as he is a great person, was terrible last year. They could not put him in nets... or it was a loss. Hense the recall of Enroth. No to Lalime.

Someone mentioned somewhere... Turco... Don't know about that either.

The backup has to be able to win games when called upon.

Question is.... who is that goaltender?

Thing is, Murray has already gone on record that their #2 guy will always be #2. When Anderson is injured, Lehner will come in to play, and the backup will remain the backup. The only time he'll play is in-game substitution, some back-to-back nights and if Lehner is injured.

Given that, *who* do you think will want to come here?

PTFlea

Post Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:14 pm by PTFlea

What a dumb thing that was for Murray to say.

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