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Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh

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61Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:44 pm

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shabbs wrote:This was a business move more than a hockey move if you ask me.

Agreed.

62Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:44 pm

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Michallica wrote:
NEELY wrote:People really need to give their heads a shake here. 1 million saved out of Melnyk's pocket is worth it to the team for sure. Got a 7th, oh well, could be a 6th and The Sens add another pick.

Take it, move on.

are we trying to maximize returns or what? trading kovalev 4 full days before the deadline does not spell that notion at all. Its almost like murray's content with the extra 1st and 2nd rounders from Fisher and kelly and now the rest is just given away for the hell of it. Faster the better right?

I get that kovalev's stock dropped dramatically, but come the Diddle on! The only other explanation is that kovalev wouldn't waive for anyone else except pittsburgh so essentially they might have san jose'd us

Turning that 7th into a 4th is not worth neglecting Phillips and Neil. Turning it into a 4th is a stretch based on this trade anyways.

63Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:45 pm

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So not having Kovalev on the Sens is worth a 7th round pick? Was it that necessary to trade him? Was there any harm waiting until Monday?

64Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:45 pm

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On the bright side, we're less likely to win games now, unless Svatos plays well in which case we landed an asset in acquiring him.

Still wish it could have been a higher pick, though.

65Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:46 pm

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NEELY wrote:
I'm also a smart money guy. No other team wanted him and if Malkin and Crosby were not injured, there would have been no one that wanted him.

He's been around for almost 2 decades, you think 10 games is going to fool anyone?

I guess no one wanted him at all - or he would only waive for Pittsburgh. Can't argue now, let him go, it didn't work, save some money, prepare for Svatos' arrival.

66Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:47 pm

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asq2 wrote:On the bright side, we're less likely to win games now, unless Svatos plays well in which case we landed an asset in acquiring him.

Still wish it could have been a higher pick, though.

Although Bobby B and Spezza have a little something going and we have a strong goalie now.

67Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:47 pm

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Again, is moving from a 5th from a 6th/7th really worth the risk of not signing or trading Phillips? Is it really worth the risk of not getting the best possible deal for Neil if he is traded? No, it isn't.

they go into the draft with another pick they would not have had, great. It's like going to the casino and winning 10 bucks. It isn't much but it's better than losing 100.

68Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:48 pm

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shabbs wrote:This was a business move more than a hockey move if you ask me.

For sure. It's sound a very sound practice to make your business decisions at the expense of the hockey side when you're in the hockey business.

69Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:49 pm

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I think this move means that Crosby will indeed play again this season.

70Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:49 pm

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NEELY wrote:
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NEELY wrote:People really need to give their heads a shake here. 1 million saved out of Melnyk's pocket is worth it to the team for sure. Got a 7th, oh well, could be a 6th and The Sens add another pick.

Take it, move on.

But Neely, you're a smart hockey guy, you watched Kovalev recently. He could be an absolute STEAL for a team willing to pony up a 4th that moves up to a 3rd with conditions. Why would you let him go for a 7th? Just tell the Pens to get real and wait it out - and keep Kovalev if need be. I know it's 1.25 million - and that's a lot of cash, I agree, but we just got molested on this one IMO.

I defer to Murray because I like what he's done...doesn't matter that much I guess (it does though), so we just let it go and concentrate on things that matter...

I'm also a smart money guy. No other team wanted him and if Malkin and Crosby were not injured, there would have been no one that wanted him.

He's been around for almost 2 decades, you think 10 games is going to fool anyone?

Ek my sources say Montreal was in on it too ... Wink

71Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:50 pm

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NEELY wrote:Again, is moving from a 5th from a 6th/7th really worth the risk of not signing or trading Phillips? Is it really worth the risk of not getting the best possible deal for Neil if he is traded? No, it isn't.

they go into the draft with another pick they would not have had, great. It's like going to the casino and winning 10 bucks. It isn't much but it's better than losing 100.

That's pretty much the long and the short of it. I won't pretend to be pleased, but business is business and we didn't have to give anything other than Kovalev. So we're done...we can move on to re-signing Phillips or trading him or whatever...

72Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:51 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
asq2 wrote:On the bright side, we're less likely to win games now, unless Svatos plays well in which case we landed an asset in acquiring him.

Still wish it could have been a higher pick, though.

Although Bobby B and Spezza have a little something going and we have a strong goalie now.

Kovy had like 9 points in his last 10 games, though, right? Every little bit towards losing helps.

Plus our two wins have come against lousy teams. Let's wait until Anderson faces some real offences and Spezza-Butler some real defences before worrying about dropping out of the top-4.

73Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:53 pm

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Yup. Kuba, Neil, Phillips, decisions have to be made. The fact it took this long to move Kovalev for a 7th means nothing other than the cap hit was too much for some teams 2 weeks ago. Teams as in there might have been a 2nd that had a fleeting thought.

74Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:53 pm

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asq2 wrote:
Kovy had like 9 points in his last 10 games, though, right? Every little bit towards losing helps.

Plus our two wins have come against lousy teams. Let's wait until Anderson faces some real offences and Spezza-Butler some real defences before worrying about dropping out of the top-4.

Yeah, Boston a couple more times, Tampa Bay, Philly. I was a little nervous about getting on a roll, but I doubt we do.

75Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:53 pm

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asq2 wrote:Plus our two wins have come against lousy teams. Let's wait until Anderson faces some real offences and Spezza-Butler some real defences before worrying about dropping out of the top-4.

Agreed. I would hate for Butler to have success at the NHL level and build some confidence by scoring game after game.

76Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:54 pm

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NEELY wrote:People really need to give their heads a shake here. 1 million saved out of Melnyk's pocket is worth it to the team for sure. Got a 7th, oh well, could be a 6th and The Sens add another pick.

Take it, move on.

Geez, Neely, five minutes ago you said that 5th is what you had expected, maybe a 4th. If the difference between now and Monday would have been 2 rounds, isn't that worth the extra, what, $122K saved in salary? Or were you wrong with your original 5th/4th assessment?

Not trying to get you to say you were wrong but at least agree with the rest of us that this is lower return than you had expected.

Weep with us; don't scorn us. You've only been back 4 hours, there'll be plenty time for that later.


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78Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh - Page 5 Empty Re: Kovalev acquired by Pittsburgh Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:55 pm

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Saving $1M or so is a sound business decision. And when it saying buhbye to AK27, it's a sound hockey decision as well. Win-win.

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