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Does Fisher's trade signify a Rebuild?

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PTFlea


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Mike Fisher was always a big part of the Senators. As the years went on and we reached this nightmare place we’re in now, he became an even bigger part of the Senators - and not in a positive way. Fisher would go through major stretches of the year ice cold. Very few goals, very few points, oft injured, couldn’t initiate contact - basically useless out there. So, why keep him? That’s the question that has to be asked to people who have an emotional connection with him - or maybe it’s the question to ask anybody unhappy with this move.

Fisher averaged just under 20 minutes of ice time a night, he would get power-play time, penalty killing time, even strength time and yet the best he could do was 14 goals and 25 assists for 4.2 million is cap space and 4 million in actual salary (Fisher’s salary decreases to 3 million in his final year, making him much more attractive to a budget team like Nashville). Is anyone suggesting that Chris Kelly couldn’t do more with that amount of ice time/PP time etc.? And then if Kelly moves up, couldn’t Jesse Winchester take his place? Then couldn’t Zach Smith take his place on line 4? The answer is yes, yes and yes.

So the question remains: is this a rebuild move, or is this just a smart hockey decision? Get back an asset that you can use going forward, the Nashville 1st round pick. Use it to draft a big, scoring forward, or use it to get the player you want in the top 5, or use it to try to acquire some young, strong talent up front. Any way you slice it, it opens up money, a roster spot and a sense of ‘it’s not good enough’. And it’s not good enough - and that goes for Chris Phillips as well. As the former core of this team, we needed those guys to step up more than they ever have in their careers, instead, we hear of a bunch of guys who dislike another coach. Another coach? When does it cease to be coaches’ fault and start to be players’ fault? Right now.

Rebuild my foot, the Sens now have an admirable chunk of money to use when they see fit. Does that mean go out and spend it all in one swoop? No, of course not. It means you wait until the opportunity presents itself and you take cap dumps - much like Atlanta did to Chicago. You get good players and you simply take on cap dollars. It works and it happens a lot. There will be several teams, including the Flyers, the Devils and the Flames who just won’t have any room to maneuver unless they shed salary. Does this mean the Sens should help them? No, but they should listen to what those teams are willing to dump. Who knows, it could be someone like Daniel Briere, a highly skilled player than would slide right into an Ottawa ‘rebuild’.

What Bryan Murray did yesterday is very admirable, he moved one of the most beloved figures attributed to the Senators - but Mike Fisher’s worth to the club on ice was much, much less than the memories that linger in fans heads. He moved a guy with a lot of miles on his body, who frankly was useless for long, long stretches and replaced him with the wonderful option of cap space and a 1st round pick- which can be used for a bevy of things. The cap space opened up can provide the Sens an opportunity to overspend on a real number one goalie - a Bryzgalov that we pay 6.5 X 4 (don’t worry, Lehner needs 2 more years in the AHL, then I want him to back up the new number one for two years), or Vokoun, or they investigate the market for goalies via trade. But one thing’s for certain, this is where Fisher’s money needs to go. Why? Because with the new crop of youngsters coming into the Sens lineup - and really, now’s the time, there will be astonishing mistakes. Rundblad and Cowen will likely be given big minutes to chew up, which will mean some excitement, but will also mean some big mistakes. If you hand Brian Elliott another chance, he’ll be eaten alive. If you promote Lehner too quickly, he’ll be eaten alive, so you go out and you do what you’ve only done once: bring in an elite level goalie who can cover up some of these mistakes as the team grows.

People call it a rebuild, the newspapers scream it, the callers into the Team 1200 are in 6s and 7s. I call it a wonderful opportunity to change some of the stagnant pieces of this team - and it all started with Mike Fisher.



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Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:29 pm by PTFlea

Hoags wrote:Wick might ? I dunno he'll get a shot at some point.

Unless Alfie moves down we've got 1 more spot in the top-6 assuming one of Regin/Foligno will move down like they have the last 2 years. One of these guys has to have a breakthrough season next year.

There you sign someone like Jussi Jokinen or one of the other players unless we pull off a trade.

Hopefully we'll get a coach who will connect better with the players than Clouston and get some of the players to overperform rather than underperform.

Perhaps. I think the coaching change will help for sure. As for Wick, he needs another year to bulk up and prove again that he can do it in the AHL before he gets an extended shot IMO.

Maybe someone like a Leino or Laich - as long as we get an elite goalie.

Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:34 pm by stempniaksen

Dream situation would be Bryzgalov/Anderson/Howard + Laich/J.Jokinen in my mind. We have enough young pieces that slot in and fill the rest of the lineup.

PTFlea

Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:59 pm by PTFlea

stempniaksen wrote:Dream situation would be Bryzgalov/Anderson/Howard + Laich/J.Jokinen in my mind. We have enough young pieces that slot in and fill the rest of the lineup.

For me, the dream situation (other than Brad Richards) is Bryzgalov + Laich/Leino/Jokinen - but less Jokinen than the other two IMO. Bryzgalov is almost the only piece I can see being a factor other than Vokoun. Anderson is a great goalie, but IMO, he's simply not ready to be in net for a rebuilding team, he'll be hammered. Howard...I like him actually...inconsistent and he wouldn't have Lidstrom et. all. Tough call there.

ddt

Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:05 pm by ddt

SpezDispenser wrote:
ddt wrote:
It had better be one hell of a top 6 to transform us from the joke that we were this year. Even with a solid first line guy and Bryz/Vokoun, it would be a stretch.

A stretch for what? We're not making the playoffs next year, the year after next is possible, but unlikely. Doesn't change the fact that we desperately need a sniper for the top six. We simply can't rely on Foligno, Regin, Alfredsson or Butler to make an impact, we need some insurance even if we're not 'planning' on making the playoffs.

An elite goalie is also necessary - 100%. The gong show that was this year had a lot of causes, one of the biggest was our goalies inability to stop a friggin beachball. Changes! Bring me a sniper + an elite goalie, the rest of the spots you can fill with kids.

A stretch for actually being able to do it. We can say we want a top-3 sniper and top-tier goalie till we're blue in the face, doesn't mean whoever is GM will be able to magically get it done, no matter how much money they try to throw at it.

PTFlea

Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:10 pm by PTFlea

ddt wrote:
A stretch for actually being able to do it. We can say we want a top-3 sniper and top-tier goalie till we're blue in the face, doesn't mean whoever is GM will be able to magically get it done, no matter how much money they try to throw at it.

Yeah, that's fair, I didn't realize that's what you meant. I sure as heck hope the next GM is super aggressive in his approach to finding this organization a top tiered goalie. I can relent on the sniper to a degree, but it'll be pretty obvious if we're dead or not when the acquisition of a goalie is made.

ddt

Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:17 pm by ddt

SpezDispenser wrote:
ddt wrote:
A stretch for actually being able to do it. We can say we want a top-3 sniper and top-tier goalie till we're blue in the face, doesn't mean whoever is GM will be able to magically get it done, no matter how much money they try to throw at it.

Yeah, that's fair, I didn't realize that's what you meant. I sure as heck hope the next GM is super aggressive in his approach to finding this organization a top tiered goalie. I can relent on the sniper to a degree, but it'll be pretty obvious if we're dead or not when the acquisition of a goalie is made.

I hope so too, but I'm prepared to accept scenarios where we don't do much, because nothing worthwhile is available. What scares me though is the scenario where the GM is under orders to get someone, anyone, to try and placate the fan base (sound familiar?). A Kovalev or Gonchar would not help us at this point.

PTFlea

Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:29 pm by PTFlea

ddt wrote:I hope so too, but I'm prepared to accept scenarios where we don't do much, because nothing worthwhile is available. What scares me though is the scenario where the GM is under orders to get someone, anyone, to try and placate the fan base (sound familiar?). A Kovalev or Gonchar would not help us at this point.

There's a certain Russian goalie that would help - a lot.

ddt

Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:40 pm by ddt

SpezDispenser wrote:
ddt wrote:I hope so too, but I'm prepared to accept scenarios where we don't do much, because nothing worthwhile is available. What scares me though is the scenario where the GM is under orders to get someone, anyone, to try and placate the fan base (sound familiar?). A Kovalev or Gonchar would not help us at this point.

There's a certain Russian goalie that would help - a lot.

Nabokov? If he doesn't want to report to the Islanders, I somehow don't think Ottawa would be his first choice as an FA. Laughing3

EDIT: If he even makes it to FA, that is.

PTFlea

Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:42 pm by PTFlea

ddt wrote:
Nabokov? If he doesn't want to report to the Islanders, I somehow don't think Ottawa would be his first choice as an FA. Laughing3

EDIT: If he even makes it to FA, that is.

I was thinking Bryzgalov. Lalalala

spader

Post Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:49 pm by spader

SpezDispenser wrote:
ddt wrote:
Nabokov? If he doesn't want to report to the Islanders, I somehow don't think Ottawa would be his first choice as an FA. Laughing3

EDIT: If he even makes it to FA, that is.

I was thinking Bryzgalov. Lalalala
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Cap'n Clutch

Post Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:43 am by Cap'n Clutch

Does the Fisher, Kelly, Ruutu trades signify a rebuild? Sarcasm

shabbs

Post Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:54 am by shabbs

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Does the Fisher, Kelly, Ruutu trades signify a rebuild? Sarcasm
If Neil gets traded today... then the rebuild is ON!!!!!

Wink

Cap'n Clutch

Post Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:04 am by Cap'n Clutch

shabbs wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:Does the Fisher, Kelly, Ruutu trades signify a rebuild? Sarcasm
If Neil gets traded today... then the rebuild is ON!!!!!

Wink

But Chris Neil = win.

shabbs

Post Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:12 am by shabbs

Cap'n Clutch wrote:
shabbs wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:Does the Fisher, Kelly, Ruutu trades signify a rebuild? Sarcasm
If Neil gets traded today... then the rebuild is ON!!!!!

Wink

But Chris Neil = win.
Exactly.

No Chris Neil = No Win.

Wink

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