murray to make changes to the roster?

Big Ev wrote:

111519 wrote:i am going to get flamed for this, but missing the playoffs and being a seller on trade deadline day might be what we need. I would imagine we could get some decent picks/prospects on the deadline for guys like rutuu, neil, kelly, kuba, phillips, or even kovalev. Combine that with getting a decent pick in the draft plus, the money we would have in the summer and we have a mini-retool to move forward.

See, I would not mind at all for this to happen. Should we try for that to happen though? No. I'd say the only guy out of those you mentioned that I wouldn't trade at the deadline if we were "sellers" would be Phillips.

i don't see us selling neil either. phillips, maybe. phillips would get us the best retrun out of most of these.
anyways the season is still young, and we could turn it around. we might be looking for a defensive D but i think bringing up butler might also do a world of good.

rooneypoo wrote:

shabbs wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

shabbs wrote:

Number Twenty Nine wrote:Looks like Burke > Murray right now and makes me ill.

Kessel would have looked good in a Sens uniform...

Yeah, at the expense of, say, Cowen + Runblad + Lehner, or thereabouts? No thanks, huge.

I think I need a break from this place. It's making my head hurt to read this stuff.

Heh. Yeah, the price would have been huge... I was dreaming in la-la no-cap land...



There's only so much GMs can do... and change takes time...

It takes time, too, for a team to get together. Be concerned about the start to the season we've had, for sure -- but to suggest seriously that 'this is end, time to blow everything up, trade everyone, sign anyone else than the players we have because they're all crap' is soooooooooo myopic.

Think back to how you felt about this team two months ago, breathe deep, and take the long, wide view. 74 more games on the season.

I'm certainly not ready to blow it up, and I don't think we really could anyways... if we're stuck at 2 wins by the 10-game mark... I will be very concerned... the 20-game mark will be the next focus... and we'll go from there. I'm not sure what people are expecting Murray to do... architect a 6-team 30-player trade to suddenly make us a cup contender this year? Ridiculous. Murray's brought in a significant piece in Gonchar... Kuba will be back soon... the team needs to gel, they're still not playing as a team. With Kovalev and Leclaire off the books (assuming we don't re-sign) next season Murray has some flexibility... and it's gonna have to start at the draft to by shifting focus to forward prospects.

The only guy here wanting to blow it up is SSF... and I think he's talking about his inflatable doll.



Heh heh.

And this talk of the Murray death watch is also ridiculous.

Not as ridiculous as you may think. Some of the stuff Murray has done/said lately reeks of desperation. The whole Spezza debacle in the summer, and now the talk of a trade to shake things up. Sounds like a GM who at least *thinks* he is on borowed time.

wprager wrote:Not as ridiculous as you may think. Some of the stuff Murray has done/said lately reeks of desperation. The whole Spezza debacle in the summer, and now the talk of a trade to shake things up. Sounds like a GM who at least *thinks* he is on borowed time.

He's probably just as frustrated as we are...

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:
It takes time, too, for a team to get together. Be concerned about the start to the season we've had, for sure -- but to suggest seriously that 'this is end, time to blow everything up, trade everyone, sign anyone else than the players we have because they're all crap' is soooooooooo myopic.

Think back to how you felt about this team two months ago, breathe deep, and take the long, wide view. 74 more games on the season.

Problem with that is, we've been down that road before. The team has been inconsistent at the best of times and now we're seeing more and more games where there's nothing going right for them. No passes, no chemistry, no speed.

They don't have long to pull it together, there might be 75 games left, but the way the Sens are playing, I'd say there's 20 games left to completely turn it around - with no less than 13-7 as a reasonable number. Otherwise it's a hole that's too hard to get out of (as we've seen personally).

You can't be serious. In the east, you need about 92-94 points to lock up a playoff spot. That's .500 hockey + 5-6 wins. OTT needs to get to .500, or thereabouts, by the end of 20 games, if you ask me. One 3 game winning streak right now rights the ship.

You guys are all panic and doom and gloom. It's like you actually believe the nonsense that TOR media feeds us about our team.

If you go by today's standings, of course Dung looks bad. But does anyone actually think that NJ, BUF, PHI, VAN, SJ, or PHO is going to miss the playoffs because of their first 8 games? Cuss no. And OTT is in the same boat.

Flo The Action wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

111519 wrote:i am going to get flamed for this, but missing the playoffs and being a seller on trade deadline day might be what we need. I would imagine we could get some decent picks/prospects on the deadline for guys like rutuu, neil, kelly, kuba, phillips, or even kovalev. Combine that with getting a decent pick in the draft plus, the money we would have in the summer and we have a mini-retool to move forward.

See, I would not mind at all for this to happen. Should we try for that to happen though? No. I'd say the only guy out of those you mentioned that I wouldn't trade at the deadline if we were "sellers" would be Phillips.

i don't see us selling neil either. phillips, maybe. phillips would get us the best retrun out of most of these.
anyways the season is still young, and we could turn it around. we might be looking for a defensive D but i think bringing up butler might also do a world of good.

LOL. Phillips is the captain of this team the (sad) day after Alfie retires. We're not trading him, 100%.

You should hear it here in Toronto... three game losing streak... fire everyone, blow it up... strip Phaneuf of the "C"... it's hilarious. The media is eating it up.

On the Fan 590 this morning, Crystal was asking everyone "what's wrong with the Leafs"... I was tempted to call in and say "Nothing, they've come back to earth and are playing as they were expected to now."

Heh.

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:
It takes time, too, for a team to get together. Be concerned about the start to the season we've had, for sure -- but to suggest seriously that 'this is end, time to blow everything up, trade everyone, sign anyone else than the players we have because they're all crap' is soooooooooo myopic.

Think back to how you felt about this team two months ago, breathe deep, and take the long, wide view. 74 more games on the season.

Problem with that is, we've been down that road before. The team has been inconsistent at the best of times and now we're seeing more and more games where there's nothing going right for them. No passes, no chemistry, no speed.

They don't have long to pull it together, there might be 75 games left, but the way the Sens are playing, I'd say there's 20 games left to completely turn it around - with no less than 13-7 as a reasonable number. Otherwise it's a hole that's too hard to get out of (as we've seen personally).

You can't be serious. In the east, you need about 92-94 points to lock up a playoff spot. That's .500 hockey + 5-6 wins. OTT needs to get to .500, or thereabouts, by the end of 20 games, if you ask me. One 3 game winning streak right now rights the ship.

You guys are all panic and doom and gloom. It's like you actually believe the nonsense that TOR media feeds us about our team.

If you go by today's standings, of course Dung looks bad. But does anyone actually think that NJ, BUF, PHI, VAN, SJ, or PHO is going to miss the playoffs because of their first 8 games? Cuss no. And OTT is in the same boat.

I'd be in less of a panic if they came out and gave their all then squeaked out losses. What we're seeing is losses by not giving a sh!t. This is a big difference. I saw it with my own eyes in PIT. This team needs a kick up the backside and some good old fashioned work ethic, not the float-a-rama we're been seeing.

shabbs wrote:You should hear it here in Toronto... three game losing streak... fire everyone, blow it up... strip Phaneuf of the "C"... it's hilarious. The media is eating it up.

On the Fan 590 this morning, Crystal was asking everyone "what's wrong with the Leafs"... I was tempted to call in and say "Nothing, they've come back to earth and are playing as they were expected to now."

Heh.

Sometimes, living in TO has some perks doesn't it?

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:
It takes time, too, for a team to get together. Be concerned about the start to the season we've had, for sure -- but to suggest seriously that 'this is end, time to blow everything up, trade everyone, sign anyone else than the players we have because they're all crap' is soooooooooo myopic.

Think back to how you felt about this team two months ago, breathe deep, and take the long, wide view. 74 more games on the season.

Problem with that is, we've been down that road before. The team has been inconsistent at the best of times and now we're seeing more and more games where there's nothing going right for them. No passes, no chemistry, no speed.

They don't have long to pull it together, there might be 75 games left, but the way the Sens are playing, I'd say there's 20 games left to completely turn it around - with no less than 13-7 as a reasonable number. Otherwise it's a hole that's too hard to get out of (as we've seen personally).

You can't be serious. In the east, you need about 92-94 points to lock up a playoff spot. That's .500 hockey + 5-6 wins. OTT needs to get to .500, or thereabouts, by the end of 20 games, if you ask me. One 3 game winning streak right now rights the ship.

You guys are all panic and doom and gloom. It's like you actually believe the nonsense that TOR media feeds us about our team.

If you go by today's standings, of course Dung looks bad. But does anyone actually think that NJ, BUF, PHI, VAN, SJ, or PHO is going to miss the playoffs because of their first 8 games? Cuss no. And OTT is in the same boat.

This may be true, but I think the point that people are making is that, the opposite also happens to be true. We are a 3 (or so) game losing streak away from really digging a hole. It's a fine line we are walking right now. No it's not time for doom and gloom, but I wouldn't be opposed to a trade, because we've got a couple of needs.

Bottom line for me is that points are tougher to come by in March than they are in October, so I'd like to see this team bank more now and not have to worry about being the league's hottest team just to qualify for the playoffs.

Number Twenty Nine wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:
It takes time, too, for a team to get together. Be concerned about the start to the season we've had, for sure -- but to suggest seriously that 'this is end, time to blow everything up, trade everyone, sign anyone else than the players we have because they're all crap' is soooooooooo myopic.

Think back to how you felt about this team two months ago, breathe deep, and take the long, wide view. 74 more games on the season.

Problem with that is, we've been down that road before. The team has been inconsistent at the best of times and now we're seeing more and more games where there's nothing going right for them. No passes, no chemistry, no speed.

They don't have long to pull it together, there might be 75 games left, but the way the Sens are playing, I'd say there's 20 games left to completely turn it around - with no less than 13-7 as a reasonable number. Otherwise it's a hole that's too hard to get out of (as we've seen personally).

You can't be serious. In the east, you need about 92-94 points to lock up a playoff spot. That's .500 hockey + 5-6 wins. OTT needs to get to .500, or thereabouts, by the end of 20 games, if you ask me. One 3 game winning streak right now rights the ship.

You guys are all panic and doom and gloom. It's like you actually believe the nonsense that TOR media feeds us about our team.

If you go by today's standings, of course Dung looks bad. But does anyone actually think that NJ, BUF, PHI, VAN, SJ, or PHO is going to miss the playoffs because of their first 8 games? Cuss no. And OTT is in the same boat.

I'd be in less of a panic if they came out and gave their all then squeaked out losses. What we're seeing is losses by not giving a sh!t. This is a big difference. I saw it with my own eyes in PIT. This team needs a kick up the backside and some good old fashioned work ethic, not the float-a-rama we're been seeing.

Yes, two blowout losses to TOR and PIT in the first 6 games is not good. If this team thinks it can take every 3rd game (or anywhere close to that) off and still make the playoffs they are in for a rude awakening.

Why doesn't Clouston/Murray just give Gryba a shot? Tell him if he wants to play he has to go out and be that physical guy they are looking for. Tell him to block shots, make good hits and to clear the crease. Give him a game or two in place of Hale.

Dash wrote:Why doesn't Clouston/Murray just give Gryba a shot? Tell him if he wants to play he has to go out and be that physical guy they are looking for. Tell him to block shots, make good hits and to clear the crease. Give him a game or two in place of Hale.

I'm up for this. We need more of a phyiscal presence back there imo.

Number Twenty Nine wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:
It takes time, too, for a team to get together. Be concerned about the start to the season we've had, for sure -- but to suggest seriously that 'this is end, time to blow everything up, trade everyone, sign anyone else than the players we have because they're all crap' is soooooooooo myopic.

Think back to how you felt about this team two months ago, breathe deep, and take the long, wide view. 74 more games on the season.

Problem with that is, we've been down that road before. The team has been inconsistent at the best of times and now we're seeing more and more games where there's nothing going right for them. No passes, no chemistry, no speed.

They don't have long to pull it together, there might be 75 games left, but the way the Sens are playing, I'd say there's 20 games left to completely turn it around - with no less than 13-7 as a reasonable number. Otherwise it's a hole that's too hard to get out of (as we've seen personally).

You can't be serious. In the east, you need about 92-94 points to lock up a playoff spot. That's .500 hockey + 5-6 wins. OTT needs to get to .500, or thereabouts, by the end of 20 games, if you ask me. One 3 game winning streak right now rights the ship.

You guys are all panic and doom and gloom. It's like you actually believe the nonsense that TOR media feeds us about our team.

If you go by today's standings, of course Dung looks bad. But does anyone actually think that NJ, BUF, PHI, VAN, SJ, or PHO is going to miss the playoffs because of their first 8 games? Cuss no. And OTT is in the same boat.

I'd be in less of a panic if they came out and gave their all then squeaked out losses. What we're seeing is losses by not giving a sh!t. This is a big difference. I saw it with my own eyes in PIT. This team needs a kick up the backside and some good old fashioned work ethic, not the float-a-rama we're been seeing.

I'd be in a panic if they were giving everything and squeaking out losses. That'd mean that we're doing our best, and that our best is not enough. But that's clearly not the situation. A lack of cohesion (and key injuries, no doubt) is the real problem. And that's something that takes time and practice to fix. It won't come overnight.

I realize that Gryba's done something (or perhaps hasn't done anything) to be given a shot in Bingo either, but perhaps this approach would work?

Dash wrote:Why doesn't Clouston/Murray just give Gryba a shot? Tell him if he wants to play he has to go out and be that physical guy they are looking for. Tell him to block shots, make good hits and to clear the crease. Give him a game or two in place of Hale.

Why? Hale has been steady, and Gryba hasn't even been getting ice time in the AHL. Hale isn't the problem, by a long shot.

Look, we're not a quick fix or one player away from the answer. This is a team-wide issue. The guys need to come together, develop some chemistry, and all get on the same page. We're just not playing like a team yet, that's all.

rooneypoo wrote:

Dash wrote:Why doesn't Clouston/Murray just give Gryba a shot? Tell him if he wants to play he has to go out and be that physical guy they are looking for. Tell him to block shots, make good hits and to clear the crease. Give him a game or two in place of Hale.

Why? Hale has been steady, and Gryba hasn't even been getting ice time in the AHL. Hale isn't the problem, by a long shot.

Look, we're not a quick fix or one player away from the answer. This is a team-wide issue. The guys need to come together, develop some chemistry, and all get on the same page. We're just not playing like a team yet, that's all.

Why are we lacking chemistry though? The forward group isn't a whole lot different than last year. Defence I could understand somewhat, but is this team really that much different than last years?

hemlock wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Dash wrote:Why doesn't Clouston/Murray just give Gryba a shot? Tell him if he wants to play he has to go out and be that physical guy they are looking for. Tell him to block shots, make good hits and to clear the crease. Give him a game or two in place of Hale.

Why? Hale has been steady, and Gryba hasn't even been getting ice time in the AHL. Hale isn't the problem, by a long shot.

Look, we're not a quick fix or one player away from the answer. This is a team-wide issue. The guys need to come together, develop some chemistry, and all get on the same page. We're just not playing like a team yet, that's all.

Why are we lacking chemistry though? The forward group isn't a whole lot different than last year. Defence I could understand somewhat, but is this team really that much different than last years?

It's starting from the back end, tho', that's the thing. Our breakout, our D-zone coverage, our puck distribution in the offensive zone. All that stuff starts with your D, and if they're not in synch, your team isn't either.

We need Phillips and Gonchar to get comfortable together (and there are signs of that already -- they looked good together in BUF, I thought), and we need Kuba to come back and stabilize that top 4. Then Campoli-Carkner can go back to a 5/6 spot -- which is where they belong. Right now, we're making those guys play in our top 4, and that's causing problems.