murray to make changes to the roster?

beerandsens wrote:
That qualifying statement is far from a guarantee, which is the biggest problem I have with this scenario. Ideally, each pick is exciting and comes to fruition. In reality, they may fester in the minors, or just become the new version of the old, at a reduced salary of course. Bottom line is it would take major cojones to make several of these moves at once, and a lot of drafting skill and luck to make it all work out. But I get it, a risk may be better than staying with the same non contending team each year.

SpezDispenser wrote:PS, people shouldn't dismiss this so quickly, with Rundblad destroying it in Sweden, Cowen killing it in the W, there are pieces to build on. We have some electric D and G prospects, time to get some forwards who can match their speed and talent, because honestly, this team has only a handful of forwards worth anything really.

Dash wrote:Carolina and Ottawa have a good relationship, try to re-acquire Gleason.

SpezDispenser wrote:

beerandsens wrote:
That qualifying statement is far from a guarantee, which is the biggest problem I have with this scenario. Ideally, each pick is exciting and comes to fruition. In reality, they may fester in the minors, or just become the new version of the old, at a reduced salary of course. Bottom line is it would take major cojones to make several of these moves at once, and a lot of drafting skill and luck to make it all work out. But I get it, a risk may be better than staying with the same non contending team each year.

You're also hoping to get some electric young talent back from teams that think that Phillips (for example) can mean the difference between a flame out and a Cup, but yes, it's far from guaranteed. Murray has pointed the ship in the right direction from the G to the D, now it's time for the forwards to get a facelift.

hemlock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

beerandsens wrote:
That qualifying statement is far from a guarantee, which is the biggest problem I have with this scenario. Ideally, each pick is exciting and comes to fruition. In reality, they may fester in the minors, or just become the new version of the old, at a reduced salary of course. Bottom line is it would take major cojones to make several of these moves at once, and a lot of drafting skill and luck to make it all work out. But I get it, a risk may be better than staying with the same non contending team each year.

You're also hoping to get some electric young talent back from teams that think that Phillips (for example) can mean the difference between a flame out and a Cup, but yes, it's far from guaranteed. Murray has pointed the ship in the right direction from the G to the D, now it's time for the forwards to get a facelift.

We need more than a facelift at centre. We need a Cher-like transformation. Let's be honest here: We have nothing in the pipeline that resembles a true top line forward, nor do any of our current young Sens (Regin, Foligno etc) look like they'll become one. This is a team that has TWO proven top line players. One is 37 and the other has a wonky back. Not good at all.

hemlock wrote:

Dash wrote:Carolina and Ottawa have a good relationship, try to re-acquire Gleason.

He didn't want to play here the first time, hence the trade to L.A. That was when we were starting to be a perennial cup contender too, and not circling the toilet bowl. I don't see why he'd even be an option. Even if we could acquire him (I don't know if he has a NTC), why would we take the chance?

Big Ev wrote:I posted this in the Game Day thread as well, but I'll post it here too:

We just don't have enough skilled players to seriously compete in this league, plus 3 of the 4 highest payed players on this team are 36 or older. Like really, I just laughed at whoever thought we could win the division. We were a 6-10 team if we played at our best.

A small rebuild is needed, IMO. We have already started drafting/trading for some serious prospects on the back-end, now we just need to start getting some potentially elite forwards. That starts at the draft.

Here are my untouchable players: Alfredsson, Spezza (would trade him only for great return), Regin, Karlsson, Phillips, Gonchar, Rundblad, Cowen, Wiercioch, Lehner, +most of our forward prospects.


I have a suggestion but I don't know if it could work. I would like to trade for Mike Ribeiro. Apparently it's almost a guarantee that he will be traded, and we need a legit 2nd line centre (or 1st line replacement when Spezza is hurt). I think he would be a good fit.

Dash wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Dash wrote:Carolina and Ottawa have a good relationship, try to re-acquire Gleason.

He didn't want to play here the first time, hence the trade to L.A. That was when we were starting to be a perennial cup contender too, and not circling the toilet bowl. I don't see why he'd even be an option. Even if we could acquire him (I don't know if he has a NTC), why would we take the chance?

Well, things change, and he's a very good all-around defenceman. But Carolina's on the rise again, so I doubt they are interested unless the offer blows them away.

hemlock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:I posted this in the Game Day thread as well, but I'll post it here too:

We just don't have enough skilled players to seriously compete in this league, plus 3 of the 4 highest payed players on this team are 36 or older. Like really, I just laughed at whoever thought we could win the division. We were a 6-10 team if we played at our best.

A small rebuild is needed, IMO. We have already started drafting/trading for some serious prospects on the back-end, now we just need to start getting some potentially elite forwards. That starts at the draft.

Here are my untouchable players: Alfredsson, Spezza (would trade him only for great return), Regin, Karlsson, Phillips, Gonchar, Rundblad, Cowen, Wiercioch, Lehner, +most of our forward prospects.


I have a suggestion but I don't know if it could work. I would like to trade for Mike Ribeiro. Apparently it's almost a guarantee that he will be traded, and we need a legit 2nd line centre (or 1st line replacement when Spezza is hurt). I think he would be a good fit.

I assume this means that you don't feel that Mr. Underwood isn't a legit 2nd line centre?

Big Ev wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:I posted this in the Game Day thread as well, but I'll post it here too:

We just don't have enough skilled players to seriously compete in this league, plus 3 of the 4 highest payed players on this team are 36 or older. Like really, I just laughed at whoever thought we could win the division. We were a 6-10 team if we played at our best.

A small rebuild is needed, IMO. We have already started drafting/trading for some serious prospects on the back-end, now we just need to start getting some potentially elite forwards. That starts at the draft.

Here are my untouchable players: Alfredsson, Spezza (would trade him only for great return), Regin, Karlsson, Phillips, Gonchar, Rundblad, Cowen, Wiercioch, Lehner, +most of our forward prospects.


I have a suggestion but I don't know if it could work. I would like to trade for Mike Ribeiro. Apparently it's almost a guarantee that he will be traded, and we need a legit 2nd line centre (or 1st line replacement when Spezza is hurt). I think he would be a good fit.

I assume this means that you don't feel that Mr. Underwood isn't a legit 2nd line centre?

Correct! Too inconsistent offensively to be a legit 2nd line centre.

shabbs wrote:

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Senators GM Bryan Murray is finding picking slim as he shops around for "a defenseman with some muscle", as he's been offered mostly expensive players. Garrioch noted there were 12 scouts from 12 different teams taking in Friday's Senators-Buffalo Sabres game. SPECTOR'S NOTE: Not surprising Murray's finding slim picking in the trade market, as most teams would likely want to dump their expensive mistakes.

it's garioch but i'm sure there were scouts a plenty.

And Spezza wasn't playing, so where does that leave that rumour?

He was supposed to play... so where does that leave your conspiracy theory?

SpezDispenser wrote:This organization can't let this go on much longer.

This is my take on who's available and who's part of this going forward if this continues:

Keep:

Milan Michalek - reason: young, fast, hard-working and with a cap hit that we can deal with, I would keep this LW

Daniel Alfredsson - you need a strong voice as the veteran up front + I would literally never trade Alfie

Peter Regin - again, young, talented, cheap, no way I would give him up

Chris Neil - You need players like this, I would keep him

Sergei Gonchar - he would be the veteran on D I would keep

Matt Carkner - worth more to us that he would be in trade

Erik Karlsson - no trade here

Ryan Shannon - that's right, no trade value and speed is needed - also, the price is right

Brian Elliott - why bother, he has little value right now and we can probably sign him for a final year for cheap (until Lehner's ready)

Debatable:

Jason Spezza - first off, it depends on what the offers would be, but a young, PPG center would most likely be in my plans

Chris Phillips - I would prefer to re-sign him, but he could be valuable at the deadline. Expect a 1st rounder minimum

Purge:

Filip Kuba - I would hope for a 1st round pick, but would settle on a good forward prospect and a 2nd or 3rd

Mike Fisher - 1st round pick for sure and/or hopefully a blue-chip forward prospect - NTC, so not sure how this is going down

Chris Kelly - it's time, he's most useful for us when we're winning - and we're not

Jarkko Ruutu - Again, it's time

Chris Campoli - Could fetch a 2nd rounder+ near the deadline

Nick Foligno - depending on the offer, he could be in the 'debatable' category, we're not exactly flush with young forwards

Brian Lee - obviously

Pascal Leclaire - maybe someone would take him close to the deadline - maybe for a low pick, who knows...


We do this right, we could have speed and talent at every position in 3 years. It's a quick turnaround, a steady rebuild, no one needs to suffer more than...probably 2 more seasons.

Number Twenty Nine wrote:Looks like Burke > Murray right now and makes me ill.

shabbs wrote:

Number Twenty Nine wrote:Looks like Burke > Murray right now and makes me ill.

Kessel would have looked good in a Sens uniform...

rooneypoo wrote:

shabbs wrote:

Number Twenty Nine wrote:Looks like Burke > Murray right now and makes me ill.

Kessel would have looked good in a Sens uniform...

Yeah, at the expense of, say, Cowen + Runblad + Lehner, or thereabouts? No thanks, huge.

I think I need a break from this place. It's making my head hurt to read this stuff.