murray to make changes to the roster?

Dash wrote:Hmmm.... just to throw it out there, but what about Souray for Kovalev?

Only draw back is Ottawa gets a guy who when healthy has been able to put up offensive numbers, but defensively not the greatest. Also Kovalev is a FA after this year, and that is great for Edmonton, but SS has a few years left IIRC.

Two other guys who have been said to be available - Regehr and Staios. Sarich would be awesome too.

The question is: do we want that cap space in the summer for someone else? I think we probably do personally. With Gonchar, Karlsson and Kuba already on the roster, I think you're right in that the Sens would probably target a replacement for Volchenkov.

Personally, I'd like to see the 2nd line next season as Michalek - Fisher - Alfredsson, which leaves Spezza with Regin and a question mark. Who knows if Butler can be a top guy in the NHL - although he'll be given opportunities for sure. Another guy is Hoffman, can he do it? Petersson is a couple of years away from NA hockey. The wildcard is Silfverberg who's playing some amazing hockey in the SEL, but he's likely a couple of years away as well.

So do the Sens trade for a sniper with a year or 2 left, go for Semin @ 6.5 per year, or hope one of the young kids can step up and score at this level?

Carolina and Ottawa have a good relationship, try to re-acquire Gleason.

Flo The Action wrote:

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Senators GM Bryan Murray is finding picking slim as he shops around for "a defenseman with some muscle", as he's been offered mostly expensive players. Garrioch noted there were 12 scouts from 12 different teams taking in Friday's Senators-Buffalo Sabres game. SPECTOR'S NOTE: Not surprising Murray's finding slim picking in the trade market, as most teams would likely want to dump their expensive mistakes.

it's garioch but i'm sure there were scouts a plenty.

And Spezza wasn't playing, so where does that leave that rumour?

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Senators GM Bryan Murray is finding picking slim as he shops around for "a defenseman with some muscle", as he's been offered mostly expensive players. Garrioch noted there were 12 scouts from 12 different teams taking in Friday's Senators-Buffalo Sabres game. SPECTOR'S NOTE: Not surprising Murray's finding slim picking in the trade market, as most teams would likely want to dump their expensive mistakes.

it's garioch but i'm sure there were scouts a plenty.

And Spezza wasn't playing, so where does that leave that rumour?

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:Hmmm.... just to throw it out there, but what about Souray for Kovalev?

Only draw back is Ottawa gets a guy who when healthy has been able to put up offensive numbers, but defensively not the greatest. Also Kovalev is a FA after this year, and that is great for Edmonton, but SS has a few years left IIRC.

Two other guys who have been said to be available - Regehr and Staios. Sarich would be awesome too.

The question is: do we want that cap space in the summer for someone else? I think we probably do personally. With Gonchar, Karlsson and Kuba already on the roster, I think you're right in that the Sens would probably target a replacement for Volchenkov.

Personally, I'd like to see the 2nd line next season as Michalek - Fisher - Alfredsson, which leaves Spezza with Regin and a question mark. Who knows if Butler can be a top guy in the NHL - although he'll be given opportunities for sure. Another guy is Hoffman, can he do it? Petersson is a couple of years away from NA hockey. The wildcard is Silfverberg who's playing some amazing hockey in the SEL, but he's likely a couple of years away as well.

So do the Sens trade for a sniper with a year or 2 left, go for Semin @ 6.5 per year, or hope one of the young kids can step up and score at this level?

A: you really think semin would want to play ottawa
B: semin is kind of a young kovalev, dissapears at time, selfish.

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Senators GM Bryan Murray is finding picking slim as he shops around for "a defenseman with some muscle", as he's been offered mostly expensive players. Garrioch noted there were 12 scouts from 12 different teams taking in Friday's Senators-Buffalo Sabres game. SPECTOR'S NOTE: Not surprising Murray's finding slim picking in the trade market, as most teams would likely want to dump their expensive mistakes.

it's garioch but i'm sure there were scouts a plenty.

And Spezza wasn't playing, so where does that leave that rumour?

12 angry scouts?

Flo The Action wrote:
A: you really think semin would want to play ottawa
B: semin is kind of a young kovalev, dissapears at time, selfish.

Ah, but he puts up a heck of a Wing Dang Doodle slap-fight

apparently the ducks and sens have been talking trade. they need a PMD.
they might want campoli but Lee has been offered.
they want campoli? when sutton is healthy i say we do that.

This organization can't let this go on much longer.

This is my take on who's available and who's part of this going forward if this continues:

Keep:

Milan Michalek - reason: young, fast, hard-working and with a cap hit that we can deal with, I would keep this LW

Daniel Alfredsson - you need a strong voice as the veteran up front + I would literally never trade Alfie

Peter Regin - again, young, talented, cheap, no way I would give him up

Chris Neil - You need players like this, I would keep him

Sergei Gonchar - he would be the veteran on D I would keep

Matt Carkner - worth more to us that he would be in trade

Erik Karlsson - no trade here

Ryan Shannon - that's right, no trade value and speed is needed - also, the price is right

Brian Elliott - why bother, he has little value right now and we can probably sign him for a final year for cheap (until Lehner's ready)

Debatable:

Jason Spezza - first off, it depends on what the offers would be, but a young, PPG center would most likely be in my plans

Chris Phillips - I would prefer to re-sign him, but he could be valuable at the deadline. Expect a 1st rounder minimum

Purge:

Filip Kuba - I would hope for a 1st round pick, but would settle on a good forward prospect and a 2nd or 3rd

Mike Fisher - 1st round pick for sure and/or hopefully a blue-chip forward prospect - NTC, so not sure how this is going down

Chris Kelly - it's time, he's most useful for us when we're winning - and we're not

Jarkko Ruutu - Again, it's time

Chris Campoli - Could fetch a 2nd rounder+ near the deadline

Nick Foligno - depending on the offer, he could be in the 'debatable' category, we're not exactly flush with young forwards

Brian Lee - obviously

Pascal Leclaire - maybe someone would take him close to the deadline - maybe for a low pick, who knows...


We do this right, we could have speed and talent at every position in 3 years. It's a quick turnaround, a steady rebuild, no one needs to suffer more than...probably 2 more seasons.

PS, people shouldn't dismiss this so quickly, with Rundblad destroying it in Sweden, Cowen killing it in the W, there are pieces to build on. We have some electric D and G prospects, time to get some forwards who can match their speed and talent, because honestly, this team has only a handful of forwards worth anything really.

Flo The Action wrote:apparently the ducks and sens have been talking trade. they need a PMD.
they might want campoli but Lee has been offered.
they want campoli? when sutton is healthy i say we do that.

Ducks won't trade Sutton, for the reason nobody would trade a player they signed as a free agent only months ago.

wprager wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Senators GM Bryan Murray is finding picking slim as he shops around for "a defenseman with some muscle", as he's been offered mostly expensive players. Garrioch noted there were 12 scouts from 12 different teams taking in Friday's Senators-Buffalo Sabres game. SPECTOR'S NOTE: Not surprising Murray's finding slim picking in the trade market, as most teams would likely want to dump their expensive mistakes.

it's garioch but i'm sure there were scouts a plenty.

And Spezza wasn't playing, so where does that leave that rumour?

He was supposed to play... so where does that leave your conspiracy theory?

Gonchar won't be traded. Again, he signed as a FA only months ago, and you do not trade a player that was just signed as a FA. It is the cardinal rule. Murray is as good as gone if that happens and nobody signs in Ottawa as long as Murray is here, or even if he isn't. Would kill the team and city.

Also, not only did he sign here, he signed here a minute after he was able to do so. And he signed for more than others likely would have paid and for longer. Ottawa was desperate and it shows. He's also not playing well enough for teams to even be interested.

Spezza's unlikely to be traded. He's injured, he's expensive, and he's not as productive as he was. Value is low, and demand is low. Only way I see a deal is if it is for a similar player in terms of price and undervalued.

For Kuba, see Spezza. Injuries are a concern. You need to play well and play often to have value.

Leclaire - see above as well. Cannot stay healthy enough to have value. I would keep him and trade Elliott now, if I was making a move. But are we in that much of a rush to play Lehner?

Guys with most value are probably are UFAs - Phiilips and Ruutu.

We do this right, we could have speed and talent at every position in 3 years. It's a quick turnaround, a steady rebuild, no one needs to suffer more than...probably 2 more seasons.

That qualifying statement is far from a guarantee, which is the biggest problem I have with this scenario. Ideally, each pick is exciting and comes to fruition. In reality, they may fester in the minors, or just become the new version of the old, at a reduced salary of course. Bottom line is it would take major cojones to make several of these moves at once, and a lot of drafting skill and luck to make it all work out. But I get it, a risk may be better than staying with the same non contending team each year.

I think Murray's options are a lot more limited than we think... a rebuild ain't gonna happen unless we bottom out and get a top pick, and I don't see that happening to be honest, which would mean a season of mediocrity.

We'll see... there's still hope... but it's fading slowly...

beerandsens wrote:
That qualifying statement is far from a guarantee, which is the biggest problem I have with this scenario. Ideally, each pick is exciting and comes to fruition. In reality, they may fester in the minors, or just become the new version of the old, at a reduced salary of course. Bottom line is it would take major cojones to make several of these moves at once, and a lot of drafting skill and luck to make it all work out. But I get it, a risk may be better than staying with the same non contending team each year.

You're also hoping to get some electric young talent back from teams that think that Phillips (for example) can mean the difference between a flame out and a Cup, but yes, it's far from guaranteed. Murray has pointed the ship in the right direction from the G to the D, now it's time for the forwards to get a facelift.

SpezDispenser wrote:PS, people shouldn't dismiss this so quickly, with Rundblad destroying it in Sweden, Cowen killing it in the W, there are pieces to build on. We have some electric D and G prospects, time to get some forwards who can match their speed and talent, because honestly, this team has only a handful of forwards worth anything really.

Thing is, everything you said about Regin, applies to Foligno as well, and in the age department, even more so, as Foligno is a year and a half younger. Although I think Foligno could be trade bait, I cringe at the thought. He's one of our few young forwards who can actually score. He plays really well with Fisher, as they are able to cycle and really tire the opposing defensemen. He has an underrated shot and hands, and has been getting chances that he himself is creating. He protects the puck really well, and you can tell he's a strong presence on the team. Always talking, after goals he seems the most excited, and he's always there to back up his teammates. Last night when Subban thought he would take loyalties with Regin, it was Foligno who stepped in and made sure that wouldn't fly. Personally, I think it would be a mistake to trade him.

Dash wrote:Carolina and Ottawa have a good relationship, try to re-acquire Gleason.

He didn't want to play here the first time, hence the trade to L.A. That was when we were starting to be a perennial cup contender too, and not circling the toilet bowl. I don't see why he'd even be an option. Even if we could acquire him (I don't know if he has a NTC), why would we take the chance?