murray to make changes to the roster?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Kuba will come back and make the D better...BUT, then he will just get injured again. It's in the script.

What's in the script is injury recovery time for Kuba is always longer than expected.

someone fire the writers!

Big Ev wrote:Kuba will come back and make the D better...BUT, then he will just get injured again. It's in the script.

Haha. Good thing we don't have any other players jinxed with that same script.

PS. When do you think Leclaire will start his next game?

CockRoche wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Kuba will come back and make the D better...BUT, then he will just get injured again. It's in the script.

Haha. Good thing we don't have any other players jinxed with that same script.

PS. When do you think Leclaire will start his next game?

If you knew the timing of his next injury (it's in the script, after all) then you could work backwards.

wprager wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Kuba will come back and make the D better...BUT, then he will just get injured again. It's in the script.

Haha. Good thing we don't have any other players jinxed with that same script.

PS. When do you think Leclaire will start his next game?

If you knew the timing of his next injury (it's in the script, after all) then you could work backwards.

Not necessarily. He's due for an off ice injury, so....

Iginla to Ottawa?

more to come...

SeawaySensFan wrote:Iginla to Ottawa?

more to come...

I'm afraid to ask what that would entail from our side. I don't even want to guess.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Iginla to Ottawa?

more to come...

I'm afraid to ask what that would entail from our side. I don't even want to guess.

I'm sure Bryan Murray has his thinking cap on.

Do not want the thinking cap on. Seriously, the price for Iginla would set this team back a long way. Michalek + Cowen + something (and I'm being nice to the Sens here). Why not just let our young players mature?

SpezDispenser wrote:Do not want the thinking cap on. Seriously, the price for Iginla would set this team back a long way. Michalek + Cowen + something (and I'm being nice to the Sens here). Why not just let our young players mature?

What did we get for Heatley again? The team that finds a way to take on that deal will probably pay surprisingly little.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Do not want the thinking cap on. Seriously, the price for Iginla would set this team back a long way. Michalek + Cowen + something (and I'm being nice to the Sens here). Why not just let our young players mature?

What did we get for Heatley again? The team that finds a way to take on that deal will probably pay surprisingly little.

Trading Iginla would signal a full-on re-build for CGY. I'm not sure that the organization is ready to do that. They'd probably lose Kipper if that happened, too.

I love, love, love Ignila, but he's also an asset on the decline. He's PPG pace has dropped steadily every year and it's clear he's losing a step. Amazing player in his prime, tho', and he's still got enough to push a pretender to a serious contender.

But I really doubt he's being shopped. This must be an EK rumour, yes?

SpezDispenser wrote:Do not want the thinking cap on. Seriously, the price for Iginla would set this team back a long way. Michalek + Cowen + something (and I'm being nice to the Sens here). Why not just let our young players mature?

I think gauging the trade price for Iginla is a tough exercise. His contract is very high and there is no knowing whether his declining skills are a result of being stuck on a bad team or just him losing his touch.

But if the price to Ottawa is Michalek + Cowen, I'd definitely do it. He would give us a top line sniper who can play with grit and heart. Basically, we'd have two Alfredssons on the team simultaneously.

PKC wrote:
I think gauging the trade price for Iginla is a tough exercise. His contract is very high and there is no knowing whether his declining skills are a result of being stuck on a bad team or just him losing his touch.

But if the price to Ottawa is Michalek + Cowen, I'd definitely do it. He would give us a top line sniper who can play with grit and heart. Basically, we'd have two Alfredssons on the team simultaneously.

That's a tough decision though. I love Iginla (kinda), but he's getting older and soon he and Alfie will be well past their expiry date (although Alfie is a freak). An astute GM would cash in right now on Iginla - if that's what they want to do and that means a real high price that would be hard to imagine paying from an Ottawa POV. If we were legitimate contenders I would think about it, but we're not really there yet and I don't think Iginla would be enough to take us there.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Do not want the thinking cap on. Seriously, the price for Iginla would set this team back a long way. Michalek + Cowen + something (and I'm being nice to the Sens here). Why not just let our young players mature?

What did we get for Heatley again? The team that finds a way to take on that deal will probably pay surprisingly little.

Iginla is pretty much on the other end of the spectrum from Healtey and his demanding, role-reduced, whining BS. This is not Iginla's idea to be traded, I'd wager on that.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Do not want the thinking cap on. Seriously, the price for Iginla would set this team back a long way. Michalek + Cowen + something (and I'm being nice to the Sens here). Why not just let our young players mature?

What did we get for Heatley again? The team that finds a way to take on that deal will probably pay surprisingly little.

Iginla is pretty much on the other end of the spectrum from Healtey and his demanding, role-reduced, whining BS. This is not Iginla's idea to be traded, I'd wager on that.

6:08PM? Is there something in the admin panel about time zones? I think we're still on DST.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Do not want the thinking cap on. Seriously, the price for Iginla would set this team back a long way. Michalek + Cowen + something (and I'm being nice to the Sens here). Why not just let our young players mature?

What did we get for Heatley again? The team that finds a way to take on that deal will probably pay surprisingly little.

Iginla is pretty much on the other end of the spectrum from Healtey and his demanding, role-reduced, whining BS. This is not Iginla's idea to be traded, I'd wager on that.

Be that as it may, Iginla has his own set of challenges. Big ticket, advanced age and a NMC.

SpezDispenser wrote:

PKC wrote:
I think gauging the trade price for Iginla is a tough exercise. His contract is very high and there is no knowing whether his declining skills are a result of being stuck on a bad team or just him losing his touch.

But if the price to Ottawa is Michalek + Cowen, I'd definitely do it. He would give us a top line sniper who can play with grit and heart. Basically, we'd have two Alfredssons on the team simultaneously.

That's a tough decision though. I love Iginla (kinda), but he's getting older and soon he and Alfie will be well past their expiry date (although Alfie is a freak). An astute GM would cash in right now on Iginla - if that's what they want to do and that means a real high price that would be hard to imagine paying from an Ottawa POV. If we were legitimate contenders I would think about it, but we're not really there yet and I don't think Iginla would be enough to take us there.

I agree that Ottawa would probably not be his destination of choice, but I think everyone always forgets how tough the trade market is. The value going each way isn't what it used to be, especially when you're dealing the best player in the trade.

Think back to all the big deals of the last few years, almost none seem to be even. The team acquiring the best player(s) are the ones who always win the trade. Why? Mostly because the salary cap doesn't allow for star players to be traded for picks and prospects anymore. And mostly because no one can survive in the league as a high end team when they trade the high picks and prospects.

Not that Iginla's return will be insignificant but look at the most recent big name trades.

. Chris Pronger for Sbisa (who doesn't rate anywhere close to Cowen's potential), Lupul (who's very close to Michalek in offensive ability) and two firsts and a conditional third.
. Luongo, Auld and Allen for Bertuzzi, Krajicek and a sixth.
. Heatley for Michalek and Cheechoo.
. Thornton for Sturm, Primeau and Stuart.
. Phaneuf, Sjostrom and Aulie for Stajan, Hagman, Mayers and White.

Every time a big name player starts showing up in the rumor mill, everyone says "wait until you see the return this guy gets" and "he's worth at least x and y and z". And then every time the deal is actually made, everyone sits around and says "we/they didn't get enough."

To be completely honest, in the current financial landscape of the NHL, there is no way to consummate a fair trade involving a superstar player. It can't be done. And if Iginla is traded, it won't be any different.

His big ticket might prevent a fair trade in this day and age, that's true.

I don't think his skills are declining, he was great in the Olympics but he was playing with Crosby (can't ask for a better centre).

In Calgary his centre is Jokinen and he has Sutter and his huge ears chewing him out after every game to so I can imagine he might be worn out over there. He pretty much has to single handedly win games for them over there (along with Kipper).

Still he IS the face of the Flames and if trading him doesn't improve the team(it won't) the Sutter's are as good as gone.

They'd have to be really desperate.