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Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Murray isn't about to get short-sighted out of the blue. He acquired Bishop to help us get to the playoffs when Andy cut himself - and he also knew that Bishop would garner him back at least the 2nd roudner he paid initially when he was ready to move him.

Unless something happens that we all don't see coming, then I'd as close to guarantee without being in the know that Bishop is gone after this lockout year. Ideally we could keep Bishop in the wings for another year, then trade Anderson when we're comfortable with Lehner taking over, but that can't happen.

Also, people should note the amazing value of a young goaltender with huge upside. People should also note that it was LEHNER that was included in a potential deal to land Nash, so one way or another Murray has cards to play, no one can know how he'll play them, but I'd bet heavily against it being Anderson moving before his final year.

do you have proof of this? i never saw anything solid.

Proof? Nah, but it was all over the net when it happened. It was Zibanejad + Lehner + 1st round pick I believe - and it seemed to be all but done - then Nash nixed it.

I remember reading so many rumours back then about what it could be and there was many scenarios flying around. I doubt that was a definite one. that to me is pure speculation and nothing more.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Murray isn't about to get short-sighted out of the blue. He acquired Bishop to help us get to the playoffs when Andy cut himself - and he also knew that Bishop would garner him back at least the 2nd roudner he paid initially when he was ready to move him.

Unless something happens that we all don't see coming, then I'd as close to guarantee without being in the know that Bishop is gone after this lockout year. Ideally we could keep Bishop in the wings for another year, then trade Anderson when we're comfortable with Lehner taking over, but that can't happen.

Also, people should note the amazing value of a young goaltender with huge upside. People should also note that it was LEHNER that was included in a potential deal to land Nash, so one way or another Murray has cards to play, no one can know how he'll play them, but I'd bet heavily against it being Anderson moving before his final year.

do you have proof of this? i never saw anything solid.

Proof? Nah, but it was all over the net when it happened. It was Zibanejad + Lehner + 1st round pick I believe - and it seemed to be all but done - then Nash nixed it.

I remember reading so many rumours back then about what it could be and there was many scenarios flying around. I doubt that was a definite one. that to me is pure speculation and nothing more.

I believe that one though, sounded like it was done until Nash nixed it.

tim1_2 wrote:Given our history with goalies, I'm sure whatever decision we make will be the wrong one.

Hoags wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Given our history with goalies, I'm sure whatever decision we make will be the wrong one.

That's why I am not ready to anoint Lehner as the Sens #1, nor do I think they should be dealing Anderson anytime soon. Goalies are way too unpredictable (see Steve Mason). Lehner has yet to show he can be consistently well over the course of a full season at the pro level. I'm sure he's good enough but in that case there's no problem with him demonstrating it at the AHL level now is there ?

Put up or shut up.

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Given our history with goalies, I'm sure whatever decision we make will be the wrong one.

That's why I am not ready to anoint Lehner as the Sens #1, nor do I think they should be dealing Anderson anytime soon. Goalies are way too unpredictable (see Steve Mason). Lehner has yet to show he can be consistently well over the course of a full season at the pro level. I'm sure he's good enough but in that case there's no problem with him demonstrating it at the AHL level now is there ?

Put up or shut up.

What do you think he is doing right now let alone done in the past? He's already proven it and he's proven how good he is at the NHL level too. Guess an MVP, the inevitable all-star appearance this year, and probably top goaltending honours that are coming is way are not enough...

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Given our history with goalies, I'm sure whatever decision we make will be the wrong one.

That's why I am not ready to anoint Lehner as the Sens #1, nor do I think they should be dealing Anderson anytime soon. Goalies are way too unpredictable (see Steve Mason). Lehner has yet to show he can be consistently well over the course of a full season at the pro level. I'm sure he's good enough but in that case there's no problem with him demonstrating it at the AHL level now is there ?

Put up or shut up.

What do you think he is doing right now let alone done in the past? He's already proven it and he's proven how good he is at the NHL level too. Guess an MVP, the inevitable all-star appearance this year, and probably top goaltending honours that are coming is way are not enough...

spader wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Given our history with goalies, I'm sure whatever decision we make will be the wrong one.

That's why I am not ready to anoint Lehner as the Sens #1, nor do I think they should be dealing Anderson anytime soon. Goalies are way too unpredictable (see Steve Mason). Lehner has yet to show he can be consistently well over the course of a full season at the pro level. I'm sure he's good enough but in that case there's no problem with him demonstrating it at the AHL level now is there ?

Put up or shut up.

What do you think he is doing right now let alone done in the past? He's already proven it and he's proven how good he is at the NHL level too. Guess an MVP, the inevitable all-star appearance this year, and probably top goaltending honours that are coming is way are not enough...

Considering that he said "for a full season," I'm guessing that you're right, that isn't enough. He hasn't done it for a season yet.

NEELY wrote:Really? I thought he already won the MVP when they won the Calder Cup.

It's not a fluke what he's doing and by years end, after he has destroyed the AHL there should be no argument in terms of him being in the NHL next year. Hell, there is barely one now and even that is grasping at straws to say the very least.

His time in Ottawa last year was nothing less than impressive as well. Not a whole hell of a lot more for him to prove outside of the NHL now.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:Really? I thought he already won the MVP when they won the Calder Cup.

It's not a fluke what he's doing and by years end, after he has destroyed the AHL there should be no argument in terms of him being in the NHL next year. Hell, there is barely one now and even that is grasping at straws to say the very least.

His time in Ottawa last year was nothing less than impressive as well. Not a whole hell of a lot more for him to prove outside of the NHL now.

There's still a lot to learn for him in terms of rebound control - something that can kill you at the NHL level as you know. That said, yes, this is 100% his final year in Bingo (and the final year for Bishop in the Ottawa organization).

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:Really? I thought he already won the MVP when they won the Calder Cup.

It's not a fluke what he's doing and by years end, after he has destroyed the AHL there should be no argument in terms of him being in the NHL next year. Hell, there is barely one now and even that is grasping at straws to say the very least.

His time in Ottawa last year was nothing less than impressive as well. Not a whole hell of a lot more for him to prove outside of the NHL now.

There's still a lot to learn for him in terms of rebound control - something that can kill you at the NHL level as you know. That said, yes, this is 100% his final year in Bingo (and the final year for Bishop in the Ottawa organization).

LeKid wrote:The faster Lehner goes to the NHL the better. Don't really care if it's backup or N1, as long as he learns to face NHL snipers ASAP. Nothing left to learn in Bingo.
But if the organization thinks we can make a playoff run next year, Anderson is not going anywhere. Especially looking at the defence corps right now

sandysensfan wrote:

LeKid wrote:The faster Lehner goes to the NHL the better. Don't really care if it's backup or N1, as long as he learns to face NHL snipers ASAP. Nothing left to learn in Bingo.
But if the organization thinks we can make a playoff run next year, Anderson is not going anywhere. Especially looking at the defence corps right now

Don't have to worry about this season re: defense... But next year.. no Lundin (probably) and no Gonchar.

That leaves Karlsson, Cowen, Phillips, Methot... So do they bring up 2 young guys from Bingo,.. two of Borowiecki, Weircioch, Benoit, Gryba? or do they go out and sign a UFA D or trade for one?

They would probably need a veteran... who would be out there?