2010 NHL Draft

It's nowhere near the Redden/Chara issue. Spezza being a part of this team in the future and us wanting to move him = the Savard situation now. You can always get him to waive it and move from there. Maybe the return isn't what it would be now, but I'd rather take that chance personally.

I would say it's up there with the Yashin situation. While Yashin was a hold out, it was clear that he wasn't totally happy in Ottawa, Spezza isn't either.

Trading Yashing was a huge move, as we were trading out #1 Centre. We're asking Murray to do the same...

Without looking anyone remember who our Centre was the year after we traded Yashin?


It was split between Radek Bonk and Todd White.

Looking back we got Chara and Spezza in the deal....so why do we have to get a #1 center back? I'm asking myself as much as anyone else. Could we not get a decent center and a top winger?

It's funny, with Yashin in the lineup (2000-01) the Sens finished 1st in the Division; the next year they finished 3rd. However they lost in the first round with Yashin but advanced to the Conference semis without him. Of course, that may have been because they did not see the Leafs until the semis

SpezDispenser wrote:It's nowhere near the Redden/Chara issue. Spezza being a part of this team in the future and us wanting to move him = the Savard situation now. You can always get him to waive it and move from there. Maybe the return isn't what it would be now, but I'd rather take that chance personally.

Yeah, that approach worked real well with Heatley, as I recall.

SpezDispenser wrote:It's nowhere near the Redden/Chara issue. Spezza being a part of this team in the future and us wanting to move him = the Savard situation now. You can always get him to waive it and move from there. Maybe the return isn't what it would be now, but I'd rather take that chance personally.

Yep. To say nothing of the fact that it's not "we" who are making this decision, and no amount of message board talk will influence the decision makers.

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:It's nowhere near the Redden/Chara issue. Spezza being a part of this team in the future and us wanting to move him = the Savard situation now. You can always get him to waive it and move from there. Maybe the return isn't what it would be now, but I'd rather take that chance personally.

Yeah, that approach worked real well with Heatley, as I recall.

I'd be willing to bet Spezza is not the DB that Heatley is, though.

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:It's nowhere near the Redden/Chara issue. Spezza being a part of this team in the future and us wanting to move him = the Savard situation now. You can always get him to waive it and move from there. Maybe the return isn't what it would be now, but I'd rather take that chance personally.

Yeah, that approach worked real well with Heatley, as I recall.

It's not the same situation. there are some small similarities, but this is comparing apples to oranges, imo.

Show me the Milbury and the trade becomes a no brainer

beerandsens wrote:Show me the Milbury and the trade becomes a no brainer

Haha, exactly.

That would be the equivalent of us getting Seguin + more which would never happen in today's NHL.

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:It's nowhere near the Redden/Chara issue. Spezza being a part of this team in the future and us wanting to move him = the Savard situation now. You can always get him to waive it and move from there. Maybe the return isn't what it would be now, but I'd rather take that chance personally.

Yep. To say nothing of the fact that it's not "we" who are making this decision, and no amount of message board talk will influence the decision makers.

That goes for everything, tho'. Might as well not ever talk about hockey ever again if we extend that logic to its natural end, because we don't manage the team, coach the players, or play the game.

wprager wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:It's nowhere near the Redden/Chara issue. Spezza being a part of this team in the future and us wanting to move him = the Savard situation now. You can always get him to waive it and move from there. Maybe the return isn't what it would be now, but I'd rather take that chance personally.

Yeah, that approach worked real well with Heatley, as I recall.

I'd be willing to bet Spezza is not the DB that Heatley is, though.

That's a $33 mil bet, tho'. I'd think the safer route is to not play the game at all.

stempniaksen wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:It's nowhere near the Redden/Chara issue. Spezza being a part of this team in the future and us wanting to move him = the Savard situation now. You can always get him to waive it and move from there. Maybe the return isn't what it would be now, but I'd rather take that chance personally.

Yeah, that approach worked real well with Heatley, as I recall.

It's not the same situation. there are some small similarities, but this is comparing apples to oranges, imo.

Really? Two guys, both around the same age; both with big money, long term deals; both with NTCs; both players who put up major points in recent history; both unhappy with the team/organization/city in some way -- Heatley and his 'role,' Spezza and his critics; both hanging around the same group, talking to the same people; both hitting it big young and getting a lot fast without perhaps earning it more slowly.

Yep, nothing comparable at all. The only real difference is that the one who was in control of his future demanded and got his trade, and the other who isn't yet in control of his future intimated he wouldn't be opposed to a trade but wasn't accommodated. That's a pretty fine line, if you ask me, and the only way to know if he'll ever cross it is by keeping him past July 1st. And a re-play of the Heatley scenario would be, frankly, even more disastrous with Spezza because even fewer teams would be interested in him.

In all honesty, I dont think Spezza pulls the same BS Heatley has. The situations are similar in a sense but different enough that I dont think people have to worry about that one particular scenario.

Spezza hasnt killed anyone (that we know of), he's been drafted and brought through the organization, and fact of the matter is he's probably more important to the team then Heatley could be.

Now, a lot of the other arguements about him never having won anything, perhaps already have peaked in terms of production and overall play, a head case, and so on are all legit.

N4L wrote:In all honesty, I dont think Spezza pulls the same BS Heatley has. The situations are similar in a sense but different enough that I dont think people have to worry about that one particular scenario.

Spezza hasnt killed anyone (that we know of), he's been drafted and brought through the organization, and fact of the matter is he's probably more important to the team then Heatley could be.

Now, a lot of the other arguements about him never having won anything, perhaps already have peaked in terms of production and overall play, a head case, and so on are all legit.

So its Macintoshs and Granny Smiths -- different kinds of apples, but not apples and oranges as was suggested earlier.

In terms of Spezza pulling a Heatley, I think the odds are currently about 60/40 in favour of him doing it. And I say that based on who his friends are, the nature of his deal and his NTC in particular, where his head is at (in terms of his self-worth, his ego, his sensitivity to criticism), and his generally privileged existence/treatment to date as a hockey player.

rooneypoo wrote:

N4L wrote:In all honesty, I dont think Spezza pulls the same BS Heatley has. The situations are similar in a sense but different enough that I dont think people have to worry about that one particular scenario.

Spezza hasnt killed anyone (that we know of), he's been drafted and brought through the organization, and fact of the matter is he's probably more important to the team then Heatley could be.

Now, a lot of the other arguements about him never having won anything, perhaps already have peaked in terms of production and overall play, a head case, and so on are all legit.

So its Macintoshs and Granny Smiths -- different kinds of apples, but not apples and oranges as was suggested earlier.

In terms of Spezza pulling a Heatley, I think the odds are currently about 60/40 in favour of him doing it. And I say that based on who his friends are, the nature of his deal and his NTC in particular, where his head is at (in terms of his self-worth, his ego, his sensitivity to criticism), and his generally privileged existence/treatment to date as a hockey player.

I completely believe you are right. And truly hope you are wrong

rooneypoo wrote:

N4L wrote:In all honesty, I dont think Spezza pulls the same BS Heatley has. The situations are similar in a sense but different enough that I dont think people have to worry about that one particular scenario.

Spezza hasnt killed anyone (that we know of), he's been drafted and brought through the organization, and fact of the matter is he's probably more important to the team then Heatley could be.

Now, a lot of the other arguements about him never having won anything, perhaps already have peaked in terms of production and overall play, a head case, and so on are all legit.

So its Macintoshs and Granny Smiths -- different kinds of apples, but not apples and oranges as was suggested earlier.

In terms of Spezza pulling a Heatley, I think the odds are currently about 60/40 in favour of him doing it. And I say that based on who his friends are, the nature of his deal and his NTC in particular, where his head is at (in terms of his self-worth, his ego, his sensitivity to criticism), and his generally privileged existence/treatment to date as a hockey player.

I agree with that too but Spezza does actually have pretty good representation from a managment stand point and I dont think he or his agents would allow himself to committ career suicide. Two of his freinds may not ever play another game in The NHL and even the dumbest person on earth probably wouldnt take two unemployeed, recovering coke head's advice. Them saying you should ask for a trade and move on vs demanding one is totally different.

I agree with your stance on Spezza the hockey player but in temrs of him pulling that particular stunt, I think there's a very slim chance of that happening.

beerandsens wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

N4L wrote:In all honesty, I dont think Spezza pulls the same BS Heatley has. The situations are similar in a sense but different enough that I dont think people have to worry about that one particular scenario.

Spezza hasnt killed anyone (that we know of), he's been drafted and brought through the organization, and fact of the matter is he's probably more important to the team then Heatley could be.

Now, a lot of the other arguements about him never having won anything, perhaps already have peaked in terms of production and overall play, a head case, and so on are all legit.

So its Macintoshs and Granny Smiths -- different kinds of apples, but not apples and oranges as was suggested earlier.

In terms of Spezza pulling a Heatley, I think the odds are currently about 60/40 in favour of him doing it. And I say that based on who his friends are, the nature of his deal and his NTC in particular, where his head is at (in terms of his self-worth, his ego, his sensitivity to criticism), and his generally privileged existence/treatment to date as a hockey player.

I completely believe you are right. And truly hope you are wrong

Hey, me too. That's what I've been saying for close to a year now -- I don't want to be right about this, because it will be bad news for OTT, big time. But wishing a thing away doesn't make it go away.

N4L wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

N4L wrote:In all honesty, I dont think Spezza pulls the same BS Heatley has. The situations are similar in a sense but different enough that I dont think people have to worry about that one particular scenario.

Spezza hasnt killed anyone (that we know of), he's been drafted and brought through the organization, and fact of the matter is he's probably more important to the team then Heatley could be.

Now, a lot of the other arguements about him never having won anything, perhaps already have peaked in terms of production and overall play, a head case, and so on are all legit.

So its Macintoshs and Granny Smiths -- different kinds of apples, but not apples and oranges as was suggested earlier.

In terms of Spezza pulling a Heatley, I think the odds are currently about 60/40 in favour of him doing it. And I say that based on who his friends are, the nature of his deal and his NTC in particular, where his head is at (in terms of his self-worth, his ego, his sensitivity to criticism), and his generally privileged existence/treatment to date as a hockey player.

I agree with that too but Spezza does actually have pretty good representation from a managment stand point and I dont think he or his agents would allow himself to committ career suicide. Two of his freinds may not ever play another game in The NHL and even the dumbest person on earth probably wouldnt take two unemployeed, recovering coke head's advice. Them saying you should ask for a trade and move on vs demanding one is totally different.

I agree with your stance on Spezza the hockey player but in temrs of him pulling that particular stunt, I think there's a very slim chance of that happening.

I hope your right. This latest "perhaps we should look into trading me" thing has really got me thinking the worst about the guy. Which is saying something.