Ottawa Senators off-season talk

N4L wrote:

Big Ev wrote:People often forget about Daugavins too, I think he could surprise as well.

Ummm, he's awful. There is no way he becomes an NHL player. He might see some games here and there but he isnt anything but an AHL player and will probably end up with Riga in a couple years when he gets moved down the depth chart.

Here's a little tidbit I read about him yesterday:

The Latvian fire hydrant put together an excellent first (full) season in the AHL and showed some promise with 21
goals (10 on the power play) and 46 points in 72 games. A former member of the St. Michael’s OHL squad with
whom he scored 40 goals, he has a good nose for the net and decent offensive instincts. On nights when he shows
up, his strong trunk helps him win battles in the corners. However, he needs to bring the goods consistently because
he doesn’t have the skill to be able to take a night off. Will likely spend another year in the AHL, but is close and
could end up getting more time with the Senators next year if there’s an injury.

Upside: Poor man’s Tomas Holmstrom, 25-35-60+, 60 PIM
Certainty (NHLer; Upside): 70%

I gotta side with Neely - I saw him quite a bit in Mississauga, and he wasn't even dominating there. Not fast enough for a small guy and he is too weak on his feet.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Big Ev wrote:We could have drafted a good player with the 1st rounder we gave to NYI (ended up being Kyle Palmieri, but other good players were taken right after like Klingberg and Despres). Was Comrie and Campoli really worth it then? I dunno.

Everybody was in an ill-conceived panic over the lack of a "PMD". Campoli is a nice player and he'll payoff quicker than Palmieri or whoever will.

Campoli has a high ceiling and he's showing signs he can be a really solid player. Hell, O'Brien was a 1st rounder picked around the same area, who would you rather have? Hell, I would take Campoli over Foligno as well. A 26th overall pick (unless it's the one guy you really want) isnt no more likely to be an NHLer then saaaaaay, SIlfverberg or Lehner.

Last year The Sens had an amazing draft and people still complain over a 26th overall pick. Did The Islanders get the better of the deal? Maybe, but as of right now Campoli is actually playing in The NHL and had an extremely strong 2nd 1/2 of the season along with the playoffs.

Where did that scouting report come from? It's neat, is that Dobbers?

SpezDispenser wrote:

Michallica wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:I doubt they trade down....Beau Bennett can be picked int he second round by acquiring another pick some other way. Don't trade down, Murray!

Plus, inr egards to an earlier post, people who bash Murray don't bash him for his drafting or development, they draft him for his awful trades (I'm on the fence, awful is not my opinion)

That's true actually, he's a Dung trader. The Campoli trade was weak, the Heatley trade was pretty good considering we got back a 24 year old forward with tons of NHL experience, the Meszaros trade was good too. The Stillman/Commodore trade should have been better than it was, but it failed.

This deadline was a good one for Murray though IMO. Cullen and Sutton were both excellent players for the Sens.

Out of that list, he's got one bad trade. And even that still isn't as bad as it looked before campoli turned his game around a little. But apart from that deal, the rest seem okay to me. He got rid of the corvo contract, and got two UFAs. That trade, at worst, is a wash. The rest aren't steals, but they're small victories for the sens.

Here's another trade no one mentions: trading up to get Erik Karlsson! The only thing (apart from Campoli) that Murray really p'd me off about was the trade he didn't make.....Dan Boyle

Get rid of the Corvo contract? That alone got Oskar Osala, a 2nd and Brian Pothier at the deadline. Corvo was awesome, we should and could have gotten a good player under contract, but...no use in crying over it now.

That is quite a fleecing for Corvo. No secret though his stock went much
higher with the canes than the sens. K I'll concede, maybe that was a
victory for the canes...small one. But, who knows how an unhappy player in Ottawa could have handcuffed ottawa for several years?

I hope ppl at least consider this a victory: Peter Schaeffer for Shean Donovan

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:

Big Ev wrote:People often forget about Daugavins too, I think he could surprise as well.

Ummm, he's awful. There is no way he becomes an NHL player. He might see some games here and there but he isnt anything but an AHL player and will probably end up with Riga in a couple years when he gets moved down the depth chart.

He's come a long, long way man. Last year he ripped it up in the 2nd half. I'd say he's hovering around making it, maybe another year in the AHL, but if his next year is as good or better than his last year, I'd say he's got a big chance to make the Sens.

He's a write off. Too small, not tallented enough, and doesnt work nearly hard enough. He might be an ok AHL player and be a call up here and there, but he's an after thought and should be. I was cheering for this guy more then anyone being a Latvian myself, but he's not good enough to be anything more then a frige NHLer.

I think there's a possibility he just doesn't want to be an AHL player. I thought he looked damn good in Ottawa.

Well that pick was everybody's sloppy seconds, so I don't even know what the Islanders really got in return.

Big Ev wrote:

N4L wrote:

Big Ev wrote:People often forget about Daugavins too, I think he could surprise as well.

Ummm, he's awful. There is no way he becomes an NHL player. He might see some games here and there but he isnt anything but an AHL player and will probably end up with Riga in a couple years when he gets moved down the depth chart.

Here's a little tidbit I read about him yesterday:

The Latvian fire hydrant put together an excellent first (full) season in the AHL and showed some promise with 21
goals (10 on the power play) and 46 points in 72 games. A former member of the St. Michael’s OHL squad with
whom he scored 40 goals, he has a good nose for the net and decent offensive instincts. On nights when he shows
up, his strong trunk helps him win battles in the corners. However, he needs to bring the goods consistently because
he doesn’t have the skill to be able to take a night off. Will likely spend another year in the AHL, but is close and
could end up getting more time with the Senators next year if there’s an injury.

Upside: Poor man’s Tomas Holmstrom, 25-35-60+, 60 PIM
Certainty (NHLer; Upside): 70%

Id laugh right in their face. That's like saying O'Brien is going to be a poor man's Todd Bertuzzi.

He is no where near close to getting the call from The Sens. Greening, Butler, Wick, Foligno, and Z.SMith are all better options then him.

SpezDispenser wrote:Where did that scouting report come from? It's neat, is that Dobbers?

Yeah, it's from Dobber's Prospect Report. Mainly for fantasy reasons, but still tells you their weakness, strengths, and overall game and usually a comparable like that.

Neely, that's his projected upside, and it cut off the last part of the report that said they think the probability of reaching his upside is only 45%. So most likely half of what they project.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:

Big Ev wrote:People often forget about Daugavins too, I think he could surprise as well.

Ummm, he's awful. There is no way he becomes an NHL player. He might see some games here and there but he isnt anything but an AHL player and will probably end up with Riga in a couple years when he gets moved down the depth chart.

He's come a long, long way man. Last year he ripped it up in the 2nd half. I'd say he's hovering around making it, maybe another year in the AHL, but if his next year is as good or better than his last year, I'd say he's got a big chance to make the Sens.

He's a write off. Too small, not tallented enough, and doesnt work nearly hard enough. He might be an ok AHL player and be a call up here and there, but he's an after thought and should be. I was cheering for this guy more then anyone being a Latvian myself, but he's not good enough to be anything more then a frige NHLer.

I think there's a possibility he just doesn't want to be an AHL player. I thought he looked damn good in Ottawa.

He played ok in NY when he got the call but he wanst n e where near ready and unless he signs a one way deal he will be up and down his entire career unless he goes over to The KHL. Ottawa's depth is improving a great deal and he is sliding down those charts.

Big Ev wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Where did that scouting report come from? It's neat, is that Dobbers?

Yeah, it's from Dobber's Prospect Report. Mainly for fantasy reasons, but still tells you their weakness, strengths, and overall game and usually a comparable like that.

Neely, that's his projected upside, and it cut off the last part of the report that said they think the probability of reaching his upside is only 45%. So most likely half of what they project.

That's better for sure, but there is no way he will be anything special outside of a guy who gets to see NHL games here and there.

Big Ev wrote:Well that pick was everybody's sloppy seconds, so I don't even know what the Islanders really got in return.

The moved up to 12 to take De Hann, who is a long term project and might turn out to be as good as Campoli. People put waaaay too much stock into those late 1st rounders.

Check out some of these projections:

Patrick Wiercioch

Upside: Zdeno Chara without the mean streak, 15-30-45, 80+ PIM)
Certainty (NHLer; Upside): 80%, 55%

Roman Wick

Upside: Solid two-way winger, (25-35-60+)
Certainty (NHLer; Upside): 50%, 40%

Bobby Butler

Upside: Ray Sheppard (35-30-65+, 60 PIM)
Certainty (NHLer; Upside): 65%; 40%

Andre PEtersson

Upside: Top six winger (30-40-70+, 50 PIM)
Certainty (NHLer; Upside): 75%; 45%

They don't even list Jim O'Brien, that's how far he's fallen off teh depth chart (they listed him last year).

Michallica wrote:
That is quite a fleecing for Corvo. No secret though his stock went much
higher with the canes than the sens. K I'll concede, maybe that was a
victory for the canes...small one. But, who knows how an unhappy player in Ottawa could have handcuffed ottawa for several years?

I hope ppl at least consider this a victory: Peter Schaeffer for Shean Donovan

Oh yeah, that was a beauty. Yeah, the Caps got DIDDLED on that Corvo trade. They must be mad.

Wiercioch to Chara? That's a stretch

Take it easy guys, I wanted to quote a post then another post popped up than another one so here's my explanation :

Kovalev on the third line because Clouston used him in that role last season to balance the line-up and because he doesn't fit with Spezza or Fisher. He will get plenty of PP time and if I recall correctly he played some PK too so he should be happy with the ice time.
Wick is on the first line in my projected lineup because he's a RW and I can't see anyone with better upside at right wing in the organization than him . The guy is a star in his country and yeah pro level hockey in Europe isn't that bad, it's better than college I can assure you that. Not only that but when he started out his career - Winchester was given the chance to succeed on the first line , then Cheechoo got that opportunity. We even had Randy ****ing Robitaille play on the first line even though we were the East Conf. champions. What's wrong giving a guy a fair chance to make it - let's see if he has it in him and play with our best offensive player in his natural spot. If he can't, that's ok but Wick deserves a strong look before counting him out . And I'm not talking about 5 minutes per game with Kelly. He's a skilled offensive guy, give him the right chance to succeed.

I don't really get the Winchester love. He is a bad skater and has a very weak shot . Although he has an amazing hockey IQ,he's good along the boards and has a strong body ,he still won't beat out Ruutu,Kelly or Neil . Not a third liner on a contending team either. So what should we do with him?

Tobias wrote:Take it easy guys, I wanted to quote a post then another post popped up than another one so here's my explanation :

Kovalev on the third line because Clouston used him in that role last season to balance the line-up and because he doesn't fit with Spezza or Fisher. He will get plenty of PP time and if I recall correctly he played some PK too so he should be happy with the ice time.
Wick is on the first line in my projected lineup because he's a RW and I can't see anyone with better upside at right wing in the organization than him . The guy is a star in his country and yeah pro level hockey in Europe isn't that bad, it's better than college I can assure you that. Not only that but when he started out his career - Winchester was given the chance to succeed on the first line , then Cheechoo got that opportunity. We even had Randy ****ing Robitaille play on the first line even though we were the East Conf. champions. What's wrong giving a guy a fair chance to make it - let's see if he has it in him and play with our best offensive player in his natural spot. If he can't, that's ok but Wick deserves a strong look before counting him out . And I'm not talking about 5 minutes per game with Kelly. He's a skilled offensive guy, give him the right chance to succeed.

I don't really get the Winchester love. He is a bad skater and has a very weak shot . Although he has an amazing hockey IQ,he's good along the boards and has a strong body ,he still won't beat out Ruutu,Kelly or Neil . Not a third liner on a contending team either. So what should we do with him?

Winchester is an excellent skater, or else he wouldn't kill penalties and he's great on faceoffs. He's like Kelly-lite. Nothing wrong with that on the 4th line.

Come on man, Winchester kills penalties because he's super sound positionally and has the hockey IQ to know when to get out of position and block a shot . How many times you've seen Winnie winning races or having a break-away? Kelly's skating is so much better