Would you trade these guys all in one package?

Phoenix30 wrote:I'd try to put a package together to get either Weber or Suter with Weber being my first preference.

The bidding would have to start with Regin, Karlsson, Cowen, Wiercioch, Spezza, Alfie and our next dozen 1st rounders.

asq2 wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:I'd try to put a package together to get either Weber or Suter with Weber being my first preference.

I don't think we could put the necessary package together. Maybe for Suter if we gave up way more than we were comfortable with.

They could use Spezza, but he's not as good a forward as Weber is a defenceman, and Spezza's older and quite a bit more expensive (which they can't handle). Our most valuable asset is Karlsson, but you could not be trading with a team that needs him less given they have Weber, Suter, Hamhuis and Franson on the team and guys like Blum, Ellis and Josi in the system.

And, I'm not sure Spezza + Karlsson for Weber would actually make us that much better. We'd be largely incapable of scoring with an incredibly limited offence future-wise. It would turn us into Nashville with more questionable goaltending and less depth on the blue-line, IMO.

Trading for a stud blueliner doesn't make sense to me. With a little patience we'll have quite possibly grown our own in the next few years. If we are looking to make a shakeup, by trading Spezza, it's critical, as you said, to replace the missing offence. As much as I would love to have Weber, in a few short years, our blueline could be the envy of the league.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:I'd try to put a package together to get either Weber or Suter with Weber being my first preference.

The bidding would have to start with Regin, Karlsson, Cowen, Wiercioch, Spezza, Alfie and our next dozen 1st rounders.

And that's just to get Poile to keep listening instead of hanging up.

hemlock wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Phoenix30 wrote:I'd try to put a package together to get either Weber or Suter with Weber being my first preference.

The bidding would have to start with Regin, Karlsson, Cowen, Wiercioch, Spezza, Alfie and our next dozen 1st rounders.

And that's just to get Poile to keep listening instead of hanging up.

True dat!

Haha, wow, Melnyk doesnt seem like he is too sure about what will happen with Spezza.

Send him to Columbus and get Brassard back with their 1st rounder and another peice. At least then the deal makes a ton of sense, just not sure if you are going to get a 80-90 point guy back, but the potential is most certainly there.

From everything I have heard around Ottawa it seems as though Spezza just cant take it in Ottawa anymore, he's hurt the fans boo'd him. I think in the playoffs it was the wrong time to do it but how do you not hold him accountable for getting out worked (not outplayed) and the stupid mistakes he makes a decade of professional hockey?

Should be interesting going into the draft but I would like to point out just how solid this Ottawa team is right now. MTL got stomped by Pitts last night, it was even close, Ottawa gave them all they could handle. This is a playoff team without Spezza whether people want to believe it or not. With the right package it still will be and be a true number 1 contender in 3-5 years with a stud goaltender, a stud defense, and hopefully a really good offense.

I would bet the farm Spezza asked Murray to explore some deals, maybe not ask for a trade (although it wouldnt surprise me) but defently look at moving him. He's cut of the same mold anyways. A guy that's a lot of talk and very little action.

What would be actually think of the guy if he asked for a trade?

I think the 1st overall pick can be had out of Edmonton. That team needs to improve now, not 3 years from now. How much value does Spezza have to the Oilers, only they know, but it has been speculated that he was almost an Oiler 2 years ago. We would need to take salary back (Souray, Horcoff ugh or Penner). Give Gagner and the 1st overall along with either Souray or Penner and I'd give up Spezza and Foligno with Lee as a throw in.

N4L wrote:I would bet the farm Spezza asked Murray to explore some deals, maybe not ask for a trade (although it wouldnt surprise me) but defently look at moving him. He's cut of the same mold anyways. A guy that's a lot of talk and very little action.

What would be actually think of the guy if he asked for a trade?

If I was Spezza and wanted to be dealt, I wouldn't ask for a trade until July 1st when I could control the destination like Heatley did.

RobbyJ wrote:I think the 1st overall pick can be had out of Edmonton. That team needs to improve now, not 3 years from now. How much value does Spezza have to the Oilers, only they know, but it has been speculated that he was almost an Oiler 2 years ago. We would need to take salary back (Souray, Horcoff ugh or Penner). Give Gagner and the 1st overall along with either Souray or Penner and I'd give up Spezza and Foligno with Lee as a throw in.

I disagree. Most teams want a younger, cheaper player. They can use the $4M they would save and re-sign all their RFAs.

RobbyJ wrote:I think the 1st overall pick can be had out of Edmonton. That team needs to improve now, not 3 years from now. How much value does Spezza have to the Oilers, only they know, but it has been speculated that he was almost an Oiler 2 years ago. We would need to take salary back (Souray, Horcoff ugh or Penner). Give Gagner and the 1st overall along with either Souray or Penner and I'd give up Spezza and Foligno with Lee as a throw in.

In all seriousness, I dont think you need that number 1 pick out of Edmonton. I dont think Hall or Seguin will be the best players out of this draft. Hall has dominate as he is has imporved very little over the last year and I think in a draft (like when they picked Karlsson) you look for a kid that has continued to grow and improve, IMO, those guys are Johanssen and Skinner.

If you can get a top 10 pick, you are pretty much garenteed to get the one you want and hell, with Ottawa picking 17th and perhaps having the ability to move up, you might get both. Build them with a young core plus perhaps another young center with a ton of potential, your Sens are looking OK right now (playoff team for sure) and in the future, my god, they could be an absolute beast.

Ottawa has to build to compete with Boston, that's the long and short of it and with the number of high picks they have in the next two years, that's the team that will be dominate if Ottawa doesnt make these moves now.

RobbyJ wrote:

N4L wrote:I would bet the farm Spezza asked Murray to explore some deals, maybe not ask for a trade (although it wouldnt surprise me) but defently look at moving him. He's cut of the same mold anyways. A guy that's a lot of talk and very little action.

What would be actually think of the guy if he asked for a trade?

If I was Spezza and wanted to be dealt, I wouldn't ask for a trade until July 1st when I could control the destination like Heatley did.

I would hope if you're Murray and you get that sense (being as he is still close to Heatley) I would deal him before he had the chance. That NTC is a nightmare waiting to happen.

Dash wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:I think the 1st overall pick can be had out of Edmonton. That team needs to improve now, not 3 years from now. How much value does Spezza have to the Oilers, only they know, but it has been speculated that he was almost an Oiler 2 years ago. We would need to take salary back (Souray, Horcoff ugh or Penner). Give Gagner and the 1st overall along with either Souray or Penner and I'd give up Spezza and Foligno with Lee as a throw in.

I disagree. Most teams want a younger, cheaper player. They can use the $4M they would save and re-sign all their RFAs.

I look at Atlanta, they have a ton of room and need a big name down there. The other is COlumbus who have a sweep in the first round in 09 and a disasterous year this year is looking to make a move. Nash needs someone else and as nice as Vermette is, he isnt more then a 2nd line player.

Dash wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:I think the 1st overall pick can be had out of Edmonton. That team needs to improve now, not 3 years from now. How much value does Spezza have to the Oilers, only they know, but it has been speculated that he was almost an Oiler 2 years ago. We would need to take salary back (Souray, Horcoff ugh or Penner). Give Gagner and the 1st overall along with either Souray or Penner and I'd give up Spezza and Foligno with Lee as a throw in.

I disagree. Most teams want a younger, cheaper player. They can use the $4M they would save and re-sign all their RFAs.

Edmonton needs playoffs more than cap space. Great fanbase but they will grow impatient.

RobbyJ wrote:

Dash wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:I think the 1st overall pick can be had out of Edmonton. That team needs to improve now, not 3 years from now. How much value does Spezza have to the Oilers, only they know, but it has been speculated that he was almost an Oiler 2 years ago. We would need to take salary back (Souray, Horcoff ugh or Penner). Give Gagner and the 1st overall along with either Souray or Penner and I'd give up Spezza and Foligno with Lee as a throw in.

I disagree. Most teams want a younger, cheaper player. They can use the $4M they would save and re-sign all their RFAs.

Edmonton needs playoffs more than cap space. Great fanbase but they will grow impatient.

I think that draft pic is A) unmoveable from Edmonton and the fans know exactly what is going on. They want the rebuild. B) over rated, I dont think Seguin or Hall will be the best players out of this draft. They will be nice players but there is more potential elsewhere IMO. C) Will cost too much. A 4th or 5th and the way Murray drafts may just indeed be as valuable, maybe more so depending on what he does with it, then that 1st round with the package he could potentially get.

N4L wrote:

Dash wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:I think the 1st overall pick can be had out of Edmonton. That team needs to improve now, not 3 years from now. How much value does Spezza have to the Oilers, only they know, but it has been speculated that he was almost an Oiler 2 years ago. We would need to take salary back (Souray, Horcoff ugh or Penner). Give Gagner and the 1st overall along with either Souray or Penner and I'd give up Spezza and Foligno with Lee as a throw in.

I disagree. Most teams want a younger, cheaper player. They can use the $4M they would save and re-sign all their RFAs.

I look at Atlanta, they have a ton of room and need a big name down there. The other is COlumbus who have a sweep in the first round in 09 and a disasterous year this year is looking to make a move. Nash needs someone else and as nice as Vermette is, he isnt more then a 2nd line player.

Atlanta might have cap space but I'd be surprised if they spend past the floor this year. Building is empty, really empty every night. I think they'll spend as little as possible until the team is sold. Columbus is in a position where they just threw a wad of cash at Vermette, I doubt they want another big contract up front.

N4L wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

Dash wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:I think the 1st overall pick can be had out of Edmonton. That team needs to improve now, not 3 years from now. How much value does Spezza have to the Oilers, only they know, but it has been speculated that he was almost an Oiler 2 years ago. We would need to take salary back (Souray, Horcoff ugh or Penner). Give Gagner and the 1st overall along with either Souray or Penner and I'd give up Spezza and Foligno with Lee as a throw in.

I disagree. Most teams want a younger, cheaper player. They can use the $4M they would save and re-sign all their RFAs.

Edmonton needs playoffs more than cap space. Great fanbase but they will grow impatient.

I think that draft pic is A) unmoveable from Edmonton and the fans know exactly what is going on. They want the rebuild. B) over rated, I dont think Seguin or Hall will be the best players out of this draft. They will be nice players but there is more potential elsewhere IMO. C) Will cost too much. A 4th or 5th and the way Murray drafts may just indeed be as valuable, maybe more so depending on what he does with it, then that 1st round with the package he could potentially get.

One more aspect to look at from Murray/Melnyk's view, is that the Ottawa fan base (in general, not on this site) is quite fickle. Spezza may annoy die hard hockey fans, but the average ticket buying fan loves him. If you move him there has to be a buzz with the return, ie. Taylor Hall, or else any season ticket momentum will be lost as quickly as it came. Unfortunately not all fans saw the Karlsson pick like we did. This is still a young NHL market and we need stars as much as a Columbus or Atlanta does. Just a different perspective to think about.

If Columbus makes a deal for Spezza, Brassard is 100% coming the other way, at that point they add 4 million. That is a team at a cross roads right now and they need to do something to get the fan base excitted. The west isnt getting any easier and they cant afford to miss the playoffs.

With that 4th, Murray will be inline to take either Fowler, Gudbransson, Connoly, or Gormley. 3 of the 4 are D. Murray will indeed move down if someone else wants to move up to get a guy like Johanssen (who IMO might be the best forward in the draft) and with that move might be able to move up with the 17th.

Anyways, Ottawa is also at a cross roads and they have to decide is this team better off with Spezza right now and still have the ability to really build the team they want OR is it time to change the core and build towards the future while still staying competitive? Should be an interesting 7 weeks ahead.

RobbyJ wrote:

One more aspect to look at from Murray/Melnyk's view, is that the Ottawa fan base (in general, not on this site) is quite fickle. Spezza may annoy die hard hockey fans, but the average ticket buying fan loves him. If you move him there has to be a buzz with the return, ie. Taylor Hall, or else any season ticket momentum will be lost as quickly as it came. Unfortunately not all fans saw the Karlsson pick like we did. This is still a young NHL market and we need stars as much as a Columbus or Atlanta does. Just a different perspective to think about.

Ottawa will get 17 000 a night no matter the team or situation. That's better then most NHL markets and with the dollar at par, The Sens are laughing all the way to the bank.