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GAME 4 - 2010 Stanley Cup GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators (1) @ Pittsburgh Penguins (2), Tuesday Apr. 20, 2010 - 7:00PM EST.
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196 Re: GAME 4 - 2010 Stanley Cup GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators (1) @ Pittsburgh Penguins (2), Tuesday Apr. 20, 2010 - 7:00PM EST. Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:18 pm
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197 Re: GAME 4 - 2010 Stanley Cup GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators (1) @ Pittsburgh Penguins (2), Tuesday Apr. 20, 2010 - 7:00PM EST. Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:42 pm
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198 Re: GAME 4 - 2010 Stanley Cup GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators (1) @ Pittsburgh Penguins (2), Tuesday Apr. 20, 2010 - 7:00PM EST. Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:00 pm
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Flo The Action wrote:
another point is that we are missing 2 top 6 forwards and a top 4 D-man. the pens... leopold. i think the sens are battling pretty honourably(not so much in the last game) for where they are at and who they are facing. game 2 was a good game by the sens.
199 Re: GAME 4 - 2010 Stanley Cup GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators (1) @ Pittsburgh Penguins (2), Tuesday Apr. 20, 2010 - 7:00PM EST. Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:08 pm
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N4L wrote:
So what? That's a losers attitude right there. It's the playoffs, you do things that you wouldnt normally do. Im so sick of hearing "Spezza isnt paid to play defence" or "he has to get away from Crosby". Guess what, he wont be getting away from Crosby and Malkin, both of who have out played Spezza thus far. He can either do the job or he cant, simple as that. If he cant, it's time to cut bait.
Look, we're not saying that Spezza is unwilling to do the role, he's just not suited to it. Sure, Kelly is willing to play top-line, but unless Spezza, Fisher, Cullen and Regin are out, should Clouston put him there? If he did and he didn;t exactly propser, would you be telling Kelly to cut bait?
Or how about Fisher and his unwillingness to play the wing -- a role he excels at? Why that selfish b*st*rd, ship him off and get a plug that's willing to play anywhere for league-minimum!
Seriously, get a hold on your hate long enough to understand the point being made.
Do I wish Spezza could play like Getzlaf? Sure do. Can he? Sure can't. Worth $7M? Not a chance, but he's got lot of company there. But to say the team is just as good without him is just wrong.
N4L wrote:Sens are a better TEAM without Heatley and they wont be worse without Spezza. Spezza needs to show he can do something to help The Sens in the playoffs because that's what matters and the cup is the ultimate goal. If he cant do it with Alfi, omg, he wont be doing it without him.
I don't disagree there. They are a better TEAM, but it's hard to deny that they are struggling to score. For a stretch, there, they were playing for each other and it was magic. Spezza was certainly part of that. I don't know if Heatley was ever part of it in his days here.
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200 Re: GAME 4 - 2010 Stanley Cup GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators (1) @ Pittsburgh Penguins (2), Tuesday Apr. 20, 2010 - 7:00PM EST. Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:14 pm
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Big Ev wrote:If the Sens are ever going to win a Cup, I think we need a complete culture change. Alfie, out. Spezza, out. Phillips and Volchenkov, out. It seems harsh right now, but I think that's what needs to be done.
I think we need a fan overhaul. My 12 year old sat there at the Rangers game when it was 6-2 or something like that with 1 minute to go and he was still screaming out his Go Sens Go! chant until the final buzzer.
Some of you guys (and, to be fair, I'm *not* talking about Big Ev here) are ridiculous. I'm upset as much as anybody here (no, I didn't break anything or hit anything/one but that's not for everyone) but to hear some of the crap being said here -- well, then you might as well replay the last few years' Finals and cheer for the team you *know* won't disappoint you. There's usually a new one every year.
I'm not calling out names, you all know who you are.
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201 Re: GAME 4 - 2010 Stanley Cup GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators (1) @ Pittsburgh Penguins (2), Tuesday Apr. 20, 2010 - 7:00PM EST. Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:24 pm
wprager
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Cap'n Clutch wrote:Big Ev wrote:If the Sens are ever going to win a Cup, I think we need a complete culture change. Alfie, out. Spezza, out. Phillips and Volchenkov, out. It seems harsh right now, but I think that's what needs to be done.
So the leadership is being questioned now? It wasn't Alfie, Phillips or Volchenkov that were out on the ice looking like morons every time Crosby skated into the Sens zone.
I wouldn't question leadership, but from a performance point of view I was expecting a hell of a lot more from Alfie, Phillips, A-Train and Fisher.
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202 Re: GAME 4 - 2010 Stanley Cup GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators (1) @ Pittsburgh Penguins (2), Tuesday Apr. 20, 2010 - 7:00PM EST. Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:27 pm
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N4L wrote:Spezza's down time is when games matter or games get hard. That's the difference. Kovalev, like it or not has had some great playoffs and carried teams a lot further then they should have gone, be it just making the playoffs or winning a round or two. Hell, he had 21 points in the playoffs when he won the cup with NYR. The guy has always someone managed to get the job done when it matters. Spezza always finds a way to lose, or at least the teams he is one does.
Price tag aside, this is the guy that the players look to for a jump or something to build on, he isnt a leader, but he has to lead. Having a guy like that on your team kills momentum or spirits just as quickly as a bad goal will.
There is no way I would build a team around Spezza and once Alfi is gone, that's exactly what will happen. Also, Spezza having an NTC would be deadly to this organization IMO looking at how things are right now, very little character and if he ever asked for a trade, Murray and The Sens would be SOL.
Here's Saint Kovalev's other side: