GAME 4 - 2010 Stanley Cup GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators (1) @ Pittsburgh Penguins (2), Tuesday Apr. 20, 2010 - 7:00PM EST.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Did somebody say "The Wizard"?

I heard he was coming to Ottawa. More to come. Stay tuned for a dreger tweet.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Did somebody say "The Wizard"?

I heard he was coming to Ottawa. More to come. Stay tuned for a dreger tweet.

He's got some pretty nice ratings in the SIM that is for sure.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Did somebody say "The Wizard"?

I heard he was coming to Ottawa. More to come. Stay tuned for a dreger tweet.

He's got some pretty nice ratings in the SIM that is for sure.

Sö döes Brunnström.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Did somebody say "The Wizard"?

I heard he was coming to Ottawa. More to come. Stay tuned for a dreger tweet.

He's got some pretty nice ratings in the SIM that is for sure.

Sö döes Brunnström.

And how about Semin - 8 playoff goals so far.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

wprager wrote:

N4L wrote:Spezza has the strength though, that's the point.

That's one way to look at it, the other is that he doesn't have enough strength.

The other way to look at it is that he's basically the Tin Man from Wizard of Oz.

So he should be pretty strong, he already has a heart, and just needs to keep a can of oil on hand.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more the analogy stretches to accommodate all three characters:

No heart, no courage, no brains.

Huh.

Bring Spezza to see the Oz and maybe he can solve all of these problems for us.

Except that all the wizard did was point out the fact that they all had those things already. Your argument has been that he doesn't.

There's no Oz at the end of the rainbow for Spezza. He is who he is. We're on year 7 now, he's not going to change. Time for people to wake up. Move the Tin Man now.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Except that all the wizard did was point out the fact that they all had those things already. Your argument has been that he doesn't.

rooneypoo wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

wprager wrote:

N4L wrote:Spezza has the strength though, that's the point.

That's one way to look at it, the other is that he doesn't have enough strength.

The other way to look at it is that he's basically the Tin Man from Wizard of Oz.

So he should be pretty strong, he already has a heart, and just needs to keep a can of oil on hand.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more the analogy stretches to accommodate all three characters:

No heart, no courage, no brains.

Huh.

Bring Spezza to see the Oz and maybe he can solve all of these problems for us.

Except that all the wizard did was point out the fact that they all had those things already. Your argument has been that he doesn't.

There's no Oz at the end of the rainbow for Spezza. He is who he is. We're on year 7 now, he's not going to change. Time for people to wake up. Move the Tin Man now.

asq2 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Except that all the wizard did was point out the fact that they all had those things already. Your argument has been that he doesn't.

You're right. Let's look for more excuses. Coaches, team, teammates, injuries, strength, conditioning, youth. What's the x-factor that we missing now and which explains everything that's gone wrong with Spezza's game?

No one in the history of hockey, certainly not Sens history anyway, has gotten more free passes in the form of "ifs, ands, and buts" than this guy. Time to accept those excuses for just what they are -- excuses.

This organization can't advance forward with Spezza on it. Or if it does, it will be in spite of, and not because of, Spezza. He's a complementary player getting paid a franchise player's salary. He will never lead, and he most certainly will never play the brand of hockey that we all want him to.

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

N4L wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I personally really loved the Cullen, Fisher, Alfie line and wish Clouston had started the series that way with that line shutting down THE Crosby.

Our number 1 line? Ya, it was awesome in the playoffs, productive, and actually shut down Crosby.

Yeah. Why the F did Clouston not adjust sooner? Why wait until your down 3 games to 2?

People forget that was Clouston's first dance too. In terms of coach's, he's a Karlsson. You see all the potential but he makes mistakes and he made a lot in this series and throughout the year. But like Karlsson, you dont see the same one twice.

This playoff round against The Pens, IMO, losing will do more good down the road then winning it would have. I have no problems with how the playoffs went. Need to resign Cullen though, I cant stress that enough.

I'm pretty sure we saw Shannon out there more than once. Or is playing favorites just one mistake and he can do it over a whole season and that counts as 1?

rooneypoo wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Except that all the wizard did was point out the fact that they all had those things already. Your argument has been that he doesn't.

You're right. Let's look for more excuses. Coaches, team, teammates, injuries, strength, conditioning, youth. What's the x-factor that we missing now and which explains everything that's gone wrong with Spezza's game?

No one in the history of hockey, certainly not Sens history anyway, has gotten more free passes in the form of "ifs, ands, and buts" than this guy. Time to accept those excuses for just what they are -- excuses.

This organization can't advance forward with Spezza on it. Or if it does, it will be in spite of, and not because of, Spezza. He's a complementary player getting paid a franchise player's salary. He will never lead, and he most certainly will never play the brand of hockey that we all want him to.

I was just joking. I just thought your example was funny is all.

rooneypoo wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Except that all the wizard did was point out the fact that they all had those things already. Your argument has been that he doesn't.

You're right. Let's look for more excuses. Coaches, team, teammates, injuries, strength, conditioning, youth. What's the x-factor that we missing now and which explains everything that's gone wrong with Spezza's game?

No one in the history of hockey, certainly not Sens history anyway, has gotten more free passes in the form of "ifs, ands, and buts" than this guy. Time to accept those excuses for just what they are -- excuses.

This organization can't advance forward with Spezza on it. Or if it does, it will be in spite of, and not because of, Spezza. He's a complementary player getting paid a franchise player's salary. He will never lead, and he most certainly will never play the brand of hockey that we all want him to.

There's a huge difference growing up in Cole Harbour vs growing up in Mississauga. Spezza's background is not conducive to hard work and determination.

So we should stop drafting players from affluent neighborhoods?

Number Twenty Nine wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Except that all the wizard did was point out the fact that they all had those things already. Your argument has been that he doesn't.

You're right. Let's look for more excuses. Coaches, team, teammates, injuries, strength, conditioning, youth. What's the x-factor that we missing now and which explains everything that's gone wrong with Spezza's game?

No one in the history of hockey, certainly not Sens history anyway, has gotten more free passes in the form of "ifs, ands, and buts" than this guy. Time to accept those excuses for just what they are -- excuses.

This organization can't advance forward with Spezza on it. Or if it does, it will be in spite of, and not because of, Spezza. He's a complementary player getting paid a franchise player's salary. He will never lead, and he most certainly will never play the brand of hockey that we all want him to.

There's a huge difference growing up in Cole Harbour vs growing up in Mississauga. Spezza's background is not conducive to hard work and determination.

PLUS 1

You said it, I didnt.

I have always said Spezza has gotten by on tallent his whole life, well it caught up.

wprager wrote:So we should stop drafting players from affluent neighborhoods?

Let's just say where you come from has a big effect on your outlook.