GAME DAY: Carolina Hurricanes @ Ottawa Senators - 7:30pm ET - Thu. Apr. 1st, 2010

SpezDispenser wrote:

shabbs wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:So, do we clinch tonight no matter the outcome? Atlanta HAS to win against the Caps and I don't think it's gonna happen. We'll see...

Go Atlanta! I'm 100% on board the Thrasher train. Take out Montreal, Boston or Philly please! But preferably Montreal.

Imagine if Boston, Rangers and Habs all miss the post season this year? Three historic franchises all out. It would be crazy.

The Rags are done like dinner - the only unfortunate part is that assuredly Sather will be fired or 'retire' and that means someone coming in who knows their arse from their elbow. I was enjoying all the horrendous decisions made by Sather.

So...new GM, step one, waive Redden? Trade Roszival? Trade Dubinsky for someone who can actually set up Gaborik? Lots of options there, some nice talent coming up, but not good enough.

Mark Messier and his dad? He sure knows a good potato chip when he sees one!

shabbs wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:I'm pretty sure that's correct. I don't get sending Smith to Bingo, either. We've got something 25 guys on our roster currently.

Yeah, the roster limit is lifted after the trade deadline and runs until the end of pre-season next season.

Here's a good read on the various limits: 90, 50, 23, 20 -- after reading the link below, you'll know what all those mean:
http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=439739

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:The Senators, who have won five straight games, only need one point tonight to cement a playoff berth. Even if they lost, they could earn entry into the playoffs if the Atlanta Thrashers, currently ninth in the Eastern Conference, fail to win against the Washington Capitals.

Mind you, this guy doesn't even know Bobby Butler's name, so who knows if he knows what he's talking about.

No, that's right. It's any combination of 1 point from the Sens or a regulation loss by the Thrashers.

Yep both the thrashers and Rangers could technically catch us if and only if they win every game and we lose every game in regulation...

SensGirl11 wrote:Can you tell I'm chomping at the bit to get this thing locked? I just wanted to know the scenarios. I realize we need only one point, I just wanted to know if there was any other way if we ended up losing tonight, which would not be a good thing either way.

I hear ya. The Rangers and the Thrashers are the two teams that affect when the Sens clinch due to games remaining and how far back they are in points. A single point by the Sens will put our point total out of reach by both of them, thus clinching a spot. It does not matter what they do as long as we get a point as they won't be able to catch us at all.

The Thrashes need to get 2 points tonight to remain a factor on our clinching of a spot. If we don't get any points tonight, and they get 2 points, then they remain a factor. If they only get 1 point, they are no longer a factor and the Rangers are the only team that become a factor, provided we don't get any points tonight.

SpezDispenser wrote:What really pisses me off is when these idiots get cap hits mixed up with actual salary. Could you not take the 5 minutes required to research it properly? Really? What else do you do with your time?

It takes you five minutes to type in capgeek.com?

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:The Senators, who have won five straight games, only need one point tonight to cement a playoff berth. Even if they lost, they could earn entry into the playoffs if the Atlanta Thrashers, currently ninth in the Eastern Conference, fail to win against the Washington Capitals.

Mind you, this guy doesn't even know Bobby Butler's name, so who knows if he knows what he's talking about.

No, that's right. It's any combination of 1 point from the Sens or a regulation loss by the Thrashers.

Not quite. If we don't get a point and if the Thrashers lose in regulation, we still don't clinch. The Rangers then become the team that determines when we clinch.

shabbs wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Can you tell I'm chomping at the bit to get this thing locked? I just wanted to know the scenarios. I realize we need only one point, I just wanted to know if there was any other way if we ended up losing tonight, which would not be a good thing either way.

I hear ya. The Rangers and the Thrashers are the two teams that affect when the Sens clinch due to games remaining and how far back they are in points. A single point by the Sens will put our point total out of reach by both of them, thus clinching a spot. It does not matter what they do as long as we get a point as they won't be able to catch us at all.

The Thrashes need to get 2 points tonight to remain a factor on our clinching of a spot. If we don't get any points tonight, and they get 2 points, then they remain a factor. If they only get 1 point, they are no longer a factor and the Rangers are the only team that become a factor, provided we don't get any points tonight.

Are you saying our magic number is 1?

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Mark Messier and his dad? He sure knows a good potato chip when he sees one!

Sure, why not. He's as good a choice as any I guess. Still think Neil Smith is out there and is a good hockey mind, but Messier will probably get the job.

wprager wrote:

shabbs wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Can you tell I'm chomping at the bit to get this thing locked? I just wanted to know the scenarios. I realize we need only one point, I just wanted to know if there was any other way if we ended up losing tonight, which would not be a good thing either way.

I hear ya. The Rangers and the Thrashers are the two teams that affect when the Sens clinch due to games remaining and how far back they are in points. A single point by the Sens will put our point total out of reach by both of them, thus clinching a spot. It does not matter what they do as long as we get a point as they won't be able to catch us at all.

The Thrashes need to get 2 points tonight to remain a factor on our clinching of a spot. If we don't get any points tonight, and they get 2 points, then they remain a factor. If they only get 1 point, they are no longer a factor and the Rangers are the only team that become a factor, provided we don't get any points tonight.

Are you saying our magic number is 1?

Yes.

shabbs wrote:A single point by the Sens will put our point total out of reach by both of them, thus clinching a spot. It does not matter what they do as long as we get a point as they won't be able to catch us at all.

Actually, to be technical, with a single point tonight for us they could still catch (tie) us, but we own the tiebreaker in both cases.

I know, splitting hairs here, just call me JAFO...

wprager wrote:Are you saying our magic number is 1?

1, yeah. Any combination of us winning (or getting a point) or the Thrashers losing in regulation - or as Devo pointed out, the Rangers losing as well would clinch it. It's already a 'run the table' scenario for the Rangers.

ddt wrote:

shabbs wrote:A single point by the Sens will put our point total out of reach by both of them, thus clinching a spot. It does not matter what they do as long as we get a point as they won't be able to catch us at all.

Actually, to be technical, with a single point tonight for us they could still catch (tie) us, but we own the tiebreaker in both cases.

I know, splitting hairs here, just call me JAFO...

Exactly, thus, they can't catch us.

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:Are you saying our magic number is 1?

1, yeah. Any combination of us winning (or getting a point) or the Thrashers losing in regulation - or as Devo pointed out, the Rangers losing as well would clinch it. It's already a 'run the table' scenario for the Rangers.

Rangers are idle tonight... so a Sens regulation loss and a Thrashers regulation loss = no clinch tonight.

shabbs wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:I'm pretty sure that's correct. I don't get sending Smith to Bingo, either. We've got something 25 guys on our roster currently.

Yeah, the roster limit is lifted after the trade deadline and runs until the end of pre-season next season.

Yup, that is my understanding.

shabbs wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Can you tell I'm chomping at the bit to get this thing locked? I just wanted to know the scenarios. I realize we need only one point, I just wanted to know if there was any other way if we ended up losing tonight, which would not be a good thing either way.

I hear ya. The Rangers and the Thrashers are the two teams that affect when the Sens clinch due to games remaining and how far back they are in points. A single point by the Sens will put our point total out of reach by both of them, thus clinching a spot. It does not matter what they do as long as we get a point as they won't be able to catch us at all.

The Thrashes need to get 2 points tonight to remain a factor on our clinching of a spot. If we don't get any points tonight, and they get 2 points, then they remain a factor. If they only get 1 point, they are no longer a factor and the Rangers are the only team that become a factor, provided we don't get any points tonight.

Perfect, thanks Shabbs. That's what I was looking for.

sooooo under what scenario can we clinch a playoff spot?

SensGirl11 wrote:

shabbs wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Can you tell I'm chomping at the bit to get this thing locked? I just wanted to know the scenarios. I realize we need only one point, I just wanted to know if there was any other way if we ended up losing tonight, which would not be a good thing either way.

I hear ya. The Rangers and the Thrashers are the two teams that affect when the Sens clinch due to games remaining and how far back they are in points. A single point by the Sens will put our point total out of reach by both of them, thus clinching a spot. It does not matter what they do as long as we get a point as they won't be able to catch us at all.

The Thrashes need to get 2 points tonight to remain a factor on our clinching of a spot. If we don't get any points tonight, and they get 2 points, then they remain a factor. If they only get 1 point, they are no longer a factor and the Rangers are the only team that become a factor, provided we don't get any points tonight.

Perfect, thanks Shabbs. That's what I was looking for.

Conversely, if we lose in regulation and the Thrashers lose in regulation AND the Rangers lose (regulation or OT/SO) tomorrow night... then we'll clinch tomorrow night, even though we're not playing and didn't get any points.

Michallica wrote:sooooo under what scenario can we clinch a playoff spot?

Good question. Let's say we win in regulation, Atlanta wins in OT and the Rags play an intra-squad game tonight for extra credit, what happens?

Or if the Atlanta game gets postponed due to rain, we lose in a shootout and Mark Messier guarantees that the Rangers run the table for their remaining games...