Ottawa's goaltending - Must read!

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I personally don't believe there's any such thing as a "money" goalie. They're all hit and miss. Some are more consistent than others but they can all peak at the right time just like they can slump at the worst time.

Well, of the goaltenders that could somewhat be a possible option for The Sens, who has proven to be anything other then a regular season goaltender or a border line number 1?

Again, I invite all opinions on this because there is no one avialble that I would put a whole lot of stock in making a difference.

I'm pretty sure no one is available period since March 3rd at 3 pm Eastern.

Belfour? Hasek? March 3rd is the trade deadline. You can still bring in players from other leagues.

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I personally don't believe there's any such thing as a "money" goalie. They're all hit and miss. Some are more consistent than others but they can all peak at the right time just like they can slump at the worst time.

Well, of the goaltenders that could somewhat be a possible option for The Sens, who has proven to be anything other then a regular season goaltender or a border line number 1?

Again, I invite all opinions on this because there is no one avialble that I would put a whole lot of stock in making a difference.

I'm pretty sure no one is available period since March 3rd at 3 pm Eastern.

Pre, post, this summer, next camp. Who is actually going to be available that is an upgrade in any sort of way.

Fact of the matter is The Sens have two goaltenders who are battling for the number 1 spot and Elliott has basically won it, Leclaire will play when needed and probably look to prove a point. I feel more comfortable with those two then 1/2 the teams that actually make it into the playoffs.

Anyway. I agree with you. Bottom line, I wouldn't trade our 2 goalies for any 2 goalies in the NHL right now. Including Luongo and whoever is backing him up.

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Meant to say "I personally don't think he can be a #1 goaltender". If we're in a Game 7 in the first round of the playoffs, I have I no confidence whatsoever in Elliott to get the job done. If we have success in the playoffs, I don't think it will be because of our goaltending. It's just what I think, sorry.

Pierre? Is that you?

Pierre said something more along the lines of "he will never be Brodeur or Price". Thank goodness for that!

I think he pretty much said "He isn't a #1 NHL goaltender and never will be".

I don't know about you guys, but that's reason enough for me to want Elliott to be number one

Hey, all Im asking is what goalies that could possibly be available is an upgrade over what The Sens have now? Simple question open to anyone to answer.

Luongo has never done anything without the likes of Sebrooke, Keith, Pronger, Niedermayer playing front of him. We could afford Luongo without getting rid of a top-six, and if we packed that kind of heat on the back end we would have to have the kids from The Mighty Ducks (and not the stand-ins who did all the skating) playing forward.

I think bringing in Turco would be great. He could split starts with Elliott. He would bring a veteran presence to the line-up and he has had at least some playoff experience, including going toe-to-toe with Luongo in a 3 or 4 overtime thriller. If anybody watched the Stars game last night, Turco was peppered with shots but kept the Stars in the game to end up coming back and beating the Caps in a shootout. He was fantastic last night. I think for next year, Turco is an upgrade over Leclaire.

Big Ev wrote:I think bringing in Turco would be great. He could split starts with Elliott. He would bring a veteran presence to the line-up and he has had at least some playoff experience, including going toe-to-toe with Luongo in a 3 or 4 overtime thriller. If anybody watched the Stars game last night, Turco was peppered with shots but kept the Stars in the game to end up coming back and beating the Caps in a shootout. He was fantastic last night. I think for next year, Turco is an upgrade over Leclaire.

There is no garentee at all that Turco leaves Dallas and there is no way Ottawa spends 3 plus million on a backup goaltender. Turco will be making as much as, if not more then Leclaire. Then you also have team like Washington, Edmonton, Detroit, Philly, who will make him the number 1 right away, not work for it with a big contract on the books. TOns of teams with bigger goaltender worries then Ottawa and will pay to improve it.

I like Turco too but he hasnt done much to be excitted about over the last 2 years, he's an average goaltender at this point. Not bad, not great, just good. You sign Turco, you are stuck with him for probably about 4.5 a year for 3 or 4 years no matter what.

N4L wrote:Hey, all Im asking is what goalies that could possibly be available is an upgrade over what The Sens have now? Simple question open to anyone to answer.

Vokoun has a .917 career save percentage and 2.54 career goals against average. 238-232 with the Panthers and Predators. In the playoffs with the Preds he is 3-8, .922 S%, 2.47 GAA. I would take that. Ottawa has a better looking roster than any of those teams ever had IMO. Vokoun would be a nice holdover until one of these youngsters can become legit.
I understand what you are saying too. Elliott could become the greatest postseason goaltender of all time, setting records in shutouts, GAA, S% etc. Then obviously we won't have to worry.

and saying that Vokoun isn't an upgrade over our two netminders is just plain silly.

AlfieisGod11 wrote:

N4L wrote:Hey, all Im asking is what goalies that could possibly be available is an upgrade over what The Sens have now? Simple question open to anyone to answer.

Vokoun has a .917 career save percentage and 2.54 career goals against average. 238-232 with the Panthers and Predators. In the playoffs with the Preds he is 3-8, .922 S%, 2.47 GAA. I would take that. Ottawa has a better looking roster than any of those teams ever had IMO. Vokoun would be a nice holdover until one of these youngsters can become legit.
I understand what you are saying too. Elliott could become the greatest postseason goaltender of all time, setting records in shutouts, GAA, S% etc. Then obviously we won't have to worry.

Vokoun is about as inconsistant and frgaile mentally as you can get. Like it or not, his number might be good but he is still pretty much unproven in the playoffs to say the least. In 10 years he has 3 more wins in the post season then Elliott or Leclaire. Vokoun could carry a team to The Cup and I wouldnt be surprised, he could also crap the bed 4 straight and I wouldnt be surprised either. Vokoun is just as big of a gamlbe as going with Elliott or Leclaire at this point.

Big Ev wrote:and saying that Vokoun isn't an upgrade over our two netminders is just plain silly.

His numbers aren't qualified? That fact that he' s played in the Olympics? Postseason? (I realize only first round)

AlfieisGod11 wrote:

N4L wrote:Hey, all Im asking is what goalies that could possibly be available is an upgrade over what The Sens have now? Simple question open to anyone to answer.

Vokoun has a .917 career save percentage and 2.54 career goals against average. 238-232 with the Panthers and Predators. In the playoffs with the Preds he is 3-8, .922 S%, 2.47 GAA. I would take that. Ottawa has a better looking roster than any of those teams ever had IMO. Vokoun would be a nice holdover until one of these youngsters can become legit.
I understand what you are saying too. Elliott could become the greatest postseason goaltender of all time, setting records in shutouts, GAA, S% etc. Then obviously we won't have to worry.

How do you acquire Vokoun? One of the 10 best goalies in the league right now? Florida doesn't answer the phone unless you're packing a nice offer. Michalek and Wiercioch should get it done. Maybe not actually, that might not be enough.

That's the price for sure and this is for one of the most baffling tenders in the world. Vokoun is so inconsistent, but in the end, his numbers trump that I guess.

N4L wrote:

AlfieisGod11 wrote:

N4L wrote:Hey, all Im asking is what goalies that could possibly be available is an upgrade over what The Sens have now? Simple question open to anyone to answer.

Vokoun has a .917 career save percentage and 2.54 career goals against average. 238-232 with the Panthers and Predators. In the playoffs with the Preds he is 3-8, .922 S%, 2.47 GAA. I would take that. Ottawa has a better looking roster than any of those teams ever had IMO. Vokoun would be a nice holdover until one of these youngsters can become legit.
I understand what you are saying too. Elliott could become the greatest postseason goaltender of all time, setting records in shutouts, GAA, S% etc. Then obviously we won't have to worry.

Vokoun is about as inconsistant and frgaile mentally as you can get. Like it or not, his number might be good but he is still pretty much unproven in the playoffs to say the least. In 10 years he has 3 more wins in the post season then Elliott or Leclaire. Vokoun could carry a team to The Cup and I wouldnt be surprised, he could also crap the bed 4 straight and I wouldnt be surprised either. Vokoun is just as big of a gamlbe as going with Elliott or Leclaire at this point.

HE HAS NEVER PLAYED ON A CONTENDER

SpezDispenser wrote:

AlfieisGod11 wrote:

N4L wrote:Hey, all Im asking is what goalies that could possibly be available is an upgrade over what The Sens have now? Simple question open to anyone to answer.

Vokoun has a .917 career save percentage and 2.54 career goals against average. 238-232 with the Panthers and Predators. In the playoffs with the Preds he is 3-8, .922 S%, 2.47 GAA. I would take that. Ottawa has a better looking roster than any of those teams ever had IMO. Vokoun would be a nice holdover until one of these youngsters can become legit.
I understand what you are saying too. Elliott could become the greatest postseason goaltender of all time, setting records in shutouts, GAA, S% etc. Then obviously we won't have to worry.

How do you acquire Vokoun? One of the 10 best goalies in the league right now? Florida doesn't answer the phone unless you're packing a nice offer. Michalek and Wiercioch should get it done. Maybe not actually, that might not be enough.

That's the price for sure and this is for one of the most baffling tenders in the world. Vokoun is so inconsistent, but in the end, his numbers trump that I guess.

Why would Vokoun want to stay in Florida? Didn't the franchise just admit to going through the rebuilding process again? Why would he want to stay with a rebuilding team?

Big Ev wrote:and saying that Vokoun isn't an upgrade over our two netminders is just plain silly.

He's an unknown, and unknown that cost 5.5 mil a year and would have to give up a ton to get. I would feel no better having him in nets over Elliott. He has shown he can be very unreliable. It's not one bad game here and there for Vokoun, it's either 10 staight games of unreal hockey or 5 straight of brutal hockey.

If people want a guy to compare his game to, people might not like to hear this but Gerber is a pretty good comparable. Guy can steal a ton of games and then cost ya ones when they matter. I think Vokoun is a solid goaltender but you are sitll rolling the dice with a guy who cant get his team into the playoffs, let alone play in them.

AlfieisGod11 wrote:
Why would Vokoun want to stay in Florida? Didn't the franchise just admit to going through the rebuilding process again? Why would he want to stay with a rebuilding team?

I'm not sure he would want to stay in Florida, but he has a NTC, so he gets the final say and again, he'd cost you a tremendous price to acquire.

AlfieisGod11 wrote:

N4L wrote:

AlfieisGod11 wrote:

N4L wrote:Hey, all Im asking is what goalies that could possibly be available is an upgrade over what The Sens have now? Simple question open to anyone to answer.

Vokoun has a .917 career save percentage and 2.54 career goals against average. 238-232 with the Panthers and Predators. In the playoffs with the Preds he is 3-8, .922 S%, 2.47 GAA. I would take that. Ottawa has a better looking roster than any of those teams ever had IMO. Vokoun would be a nice holdover until one of these youngsters can become legit.
I understand what you are saying too. Elliott could become the greatest postseason goaltender of all time, setting records in shutouts, GAA, S% etc. Then obviously we won't have to worry.

Vokoun is about as inconsistant and frgaile mentally as you can get. Like it or not, his number might be good but he is still pretty much unproven in the playoffs to say the least. In 10 years he has 3 more wins in the post season then Elliott or Leclaire. Vokoun could carry a team to The Cup and I wouldnt be surprised, he could also crap the bed 4 straight and I wouldnt be surprised either. Vokoun is just as big of a gamlbe as going with Elliott or Leclaire at this point.

HE HAS NEVER PLAYED ON A CONTENDER

How was that Nashville team not a contender? didnt they have something like 110 points on the season, and a team featuring Kariya, Forsberg, Arnott, Sullivan, Timmonen, etc?

AlfieisGod11 wrote:

Big Ev wrote:and saying that Vokoun isn't an upgrade over our two netminders is just plain silly.

His numbers aren't qualified? That fact that he' s played in the Olympics? Postseason? (I realize only first round)

Dude, I'm agreeing with you! lol