Ottawa's goaltending - Must read!

Meant to say "I personally don't think he can be a #1 goaltender". If we're in a Game 7 in the first round of the playoffs, I have I no confidence whatsoever in Elliott to get the job done. If we have success in the playoffs, I don't think it will be because of our goaltending. It's just what I think, sorry.

Jonathan Quick is pretty consistent. Same can be said about Tuuka Rask.

Thats fine, stating opinion and stating things as a fact are different. I would like to think your opinion is based on something and Ill wait for you to say something about that before I comment.

Anyways, Elliott has proven to win at every level and when the pressure is on, he plays better. Look at his record coming off a loss and playing the next night, he's like 6-1 in The NHL, that shows his willingness to battle and his ability to stay mentally strong. In college, it was the same thing, he won. Whether he had to be the best player on the ice or just make the easy saves, he did what he needed to, to win. That's what a number 1 goaltender does.

That is a big reason why you see more goaltenders drafted high in the draft have worse careers then those mid or late round picks. Look at Roy, Hasek, Belfore, Cujo (not even drafted), all those guy had intangibles you cant see until they play in The NHL. Elliott is starting to show those intangibles right now in a big way.

If every game went to game 7 this year in the first round, how many teams are in better shape then Ottawa in terms of their goaltending? Chicago, Detroit, Washington, Philly, LA, Boston, Nashville, Atlanta, even NJ based on how Brodure has played the last 3 or 4 years... It's debatable at best to say you would rather have Rask or Glass in nets over Elliott, even then, they dont have the pedegree of winning Elliott does. The bolded ones are no braoners who you would rather have and those 4 were considered favorites to win the cup going into the season, probably 1, 2, 3, 4.

Dash wrote:Jonathan Quick is pretty consistent. Same can be said about Tuuka Rask.

Rask has his moments too, Quick tough to argue against though, but even last year he was very inconsistant in his first NHL season.

cloverleaf wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:or you could taper you expectations down to a normal level and understand that Lehner is nothing more than a very good goalie prospect who needs a lot more seasoning. Why is that so hard to understand?
19 year old goalies in the pros do not fair well the majority of the time, same with 20 year olds and 21...
Just because the state of our goaltending is bottom 5 in the league, doesn't mean you can make Lehner progress like a forward can.
it really is that clear.

It's not that clear IMO. I would say, depending on the mental and physical makeup of the goalie, that 20 years old is fine and dandy for making the jump to the NHL. Lehner came to NA and went right to one of the worst teams in the OHL and has carried them. When he doesn't play, their record is horrible, when he does play, their record is 25-13. That's ridiculous, that means he's an impact player who has been well schooled in the techniques of the game.

I would bet cold hard $$ that he's in the AHL next year. How he'll do is another story, but I think he'll be there.

cool. and in the meantime we play with elliott and leclaire again? and the year after that?
when would it be time to get a true #1? Hopefully this offseason when there are some good UFA's available. nabokov, ellis, biron, turco, theodore are available off the top of my head. not saying all those would be who we should be looking at but, we need to do something to improve our tender situation because it is horrendous

I'm kind of in line with you. I would like to see Murray make a move; heck possibly for someone like Vokoun. Maybe you can tempt Florida with the A-Train (trade and sign), Leclaire, and....
Basically what my point comes down to is I want to see the day when Gary Bettman hands Daniel Alfredsson the Stanley Cup. Waiting another 3 to 4 years, things begin to look bleak.

One proven playoff goaltender that's abailable? GO! Let me know.

Vokoun? So inconsistant and hasnt proven a thing in 10 plus years in The NHL. Biron? Umm, no. Theodore, maybe 10 years ago when goalies cheated as much as he did. Turco? Maybe 5 years ago when goalies could play the puck. Nabokov? The same Nabokov who chokes year after year and choked against Canada just 2 weeks ago?

Lundqvist, Luongo, Kippersouff, Flurry or who ever else you want in nets isnt available so I would love to hear who would actually make a difference based on their past with teams. Forget The Sens goaltenders for a momment, who the Diddle has actually done something to say "that's the guy who will lead us there". Ill be happy to hear it.

I personally don't believe there's any such thing as a "money" goalie. They're all hit and miss. Some are more consistent than others but they can all peak at the right time just like they can slump at the worst time.

Big Ev wrote:Meant to say "I personally don't think he can be a #1 goaltender". If we're in a Game 7 in the first round of the playoffs, I have I no confidence whatsoever in Elliott to get the job done. If we have success in the playoffs, I don't think it will be because of our goaltending. It's just what I think, sorry.

Pierre? Is that you?

SeawaySensFan wrote:I personally don't believe there's any such thing as a "money" goalie. They're all hit and miss. Some are more consistent than others but they can all peak at the right time just like they can slump at the worst time.

Well, of the goaltenders that could somewhat be a possible option for The Sens, who has proven to be anything other then a regular season goaltender or a border line number 1?

Again, I invite all opinions on this because there is no one avialble that I would put a whole lot of stock in making a difference.

wprager wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Meant to say "I personally don't think he can be a #1 goaltender". If we're in a Game 7 in the first round of the playoffs, I have I no confidence whatsoever in Elliott to get the job done. If we have success in the playoffs, I don't think it will be because of our goaltending. It's just what I think, sorry.

Pierre? Is that you?

Pierre said something more along the lines of "he will never be Brodeur or Price". Thank goodness for that!

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I personally don't believe there's any such thing as a "money" goalie. They're all hit and miss. Some are more consistent than others but they can all peak at the right time just like they can slump at the worst time.

Well, of the goaltenders that could somewhat be a possible option for The Sens, who has proven to be anything other then a regular season goaltender or a border line number 1?

Again, I invite all opinions on this because there is no one avialble that I would put a whole lot of stock in making a difference.

I'm pretty sure no one is available period since March 3rd at 3 pm Eastern.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Meant to say "I personally don't think he can be a #1 goaltender". If we're in a Game 7 in the first round of the playoffs, I have I no confidence whatsoever in Elliott to get the job done. If we have success in the playoffs, I don't think it will be because of our goaltending. It's just what I think, sorry.

Pierre? Is that you?

Pierre said something more along the lines of "he will never be Brodeur or Price". Thank goodness for that!

Especially a Price.

Yeah, well last time I checked Elliott stole the number 1 spot from a 1st rounder, not gave it up to a 9th round draft pick in 2003, which he indeed is himself.

There is a reason McGuire isnt in The NHL anymore.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I personally don't believe there's any such thing as a "money" goalie. They're all hit and miss. Some are more consistent than others but they can all peak at the right time just like they can slump at the worst time.

Well, of the goaltenders that could somewhat be a possible option for The Sens, who has proven to be anything other then a regular season goaltender or a border line number 1?

Again, I invite all opinions on this because there is no one avialble that I would put a whole lot of stock in making a difference.

I'm pretty sure no one is available period since March 3rd at 3 pm Eastern.

Pre, post, this summer, next camp. Who is actually going to be available that is an upgrade in any sort of way.

Fact of the matter is The Sens have two goaltenders who are battling for the number 1 spot and Elliott has basically won it, Leclaire will play when needed and probably look to prove a point. I feel more comfortable with those two then 1/2 the teams that actually make it into the playoffs.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Meant to say "I personally don't think he can be a #1 goaltender". If we're in a Game 7 in the first round of the playoffs, I have I no confidence whatsoever in Elliott to get the job done. If we have success in the playoffs, I don't think it will be because of our goaltending. It's just what I think, sorry.

Pierre? Is that you?

Pierre said something more along the lines of "he will never be Brodeur or Price". Thank goodness for that!

I think he pretty much said "He isn't a #1 NHL goaltender and never will be".

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I personally don't believe there's any such thing as a "money" goalie. They're all hit and miss. Some are more consistent than others but they can all peak at the right time just like they can slump at the worst time.

Well, of the goaltenders that could somewhat be a possible option for The Sens, who has proven to be anything other then a regular season goaltender or a border line number 1?

Again, I invite all opinions on this because there is no one avialble that I would put a whole lot of stock in making a difference.

I'm pretty sure no one is available period since March 3rd at 3 pm Eastern.

Belfour? Hasek? March 3rd is the trade deadline. You can still bring in players from other leagues.

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

N4L wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:I personally don't believe there's any such thing as a "money" goalie. They're all hit and miss. Some are more consistent than others but they can all peak at the right time just like they can slump at the worst time.

Well, of the goaltenders that could somewhat be a possible option for The Sens, who has proven to be anything other then a regular season goaltender or a border line number 1?

Again, I invite all opinions on this because there is no one avialble that I would put a whole lot of stock in making a difference.

I'm pretty sure no one is available period since March 3rd at 3 pm Eastern.

Pre, post, this summer, next camp. Who is actually going to be available that is an upgrade in any sort of way.

Fact of the matter is The Sens have two goaltenders who are battling for the number 1 spot and Elliott has basically won it, Leclaire will play when needed and probably look to prove a point. I feel more comfortable with those two then 1/2 the teams that actually make it into the playoffs.

Anyway. I agree with you. Bottom line, I wouldn't trade our 2 goalies for any 2 goalies in the NHL right now. Including Luongo and whoever is backing him up.

wprager wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

wprager wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Meant to say "I personally don't think he can be a #1 goaltender". If we're in a Game 7 in the first round of the playoffs, I have I no confidence whatsoever in Elliott to get the job done. If we have success in the playoffs, I don't think it will be because of our goaltending. It's just what I think, sorry.

Pierre? Is that you?

Pierre said something more along the lines of "he will never be Brodeur or Price". Thank goodness for that!

I think he pretty much said "He isn't a #1 NHL goaltender and never will be".

I don't know about you guys, but that's reason enough for me to want Elliott to be number one