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TheAvatar wrote:Hemmy; aren't you overreacting a little? First off, it's not over yet; second, what do you expect the man to do? It's not like he's NOT getting guys to keep us from getting over the bump. He's gotta do what's sensible; grossly overpaying or mortgaging too much our future would be much more of a Diddle you to the fans that playing it close.

I don't think anyone here is thinking we're a cup contender this year; it's not one deal at the deadline that will change that;

I never said it did. My point is that Murray consistently trades our picks away for little more than fluff at the deadline. Why is he bothering, that's my point.

How is this move sensible? Depth? We need another defensive d-man behind Phillips, Volchenkov and Carkner? No. We could have used a PMD tenfold more.

Well, it's not over yet but I'm sure the last thing Murray's thinking is "that's great, I'm glad I diddled the fans again this year". Great work!

hemlock wrote:

I never said it did. My point is that Murray consistently trades our picks away for little more than fluff at the deadline. Why is he bothering, that's my point.

How is this move sensible? Depth? We need another defensive d-man behind Phillips, Volchenkov and Carkner? No. We could have used a PMD tenfold more.

How many more PMD's do you need over Karlsson, Kuba, and Campoli?

EDIT

How about you mention the PMD's that either are or you think are available to get, that a 2nd round pick we can use to acquire it.

Devo wrote:

marakh wrote:

Devo wrote:

marakh wrote:
There is a few players that look quite good in that range IMO. I cannot believe that a draft in 2010 is poor on 2nd round level.
Even if they don't like the players at 50-60, they can use that to trade up or down.
I would have taken quantity over quality in forward prospects because our pool at F is disgusting. Trading 1 2nd rounder is fine for a rental, but 2, I don't think is a good idea.
Could be, but for Andy Sutton, don't think so.

I don't quite get it, just about everyone on this site was screaming for Murray to pick up a top 6 forward and another defenseman, but you didn't want to give up a roster player, and you didn't want to give up any prospects, and you didn't want to give up 2nd round picks.

Do you honestly believe that you could get a 5/6 dman at the trade deadline for a 3rd round pick or worse? Would you have been happy to go into the playoffs with Lee or Campoli instead of Sutton?

Where exactly did I say I didn't want to give up any prospects? I would give anybody not named Wiercioch or Cowen. I would even give Wiercioch if we can get a solid top 4.
A 35 year old depth rental? 3rd/4th rounders + Brian Lee/Obrien ish would have gotten my vote.

Do you really think that Lee/Obrien have any worth out in the market place? Obviously the market is way way different than what you think it should be, because Grebeshkov went for a 2nd round pick. Leopold went for a 2nd round pick. Seems to me you've under valued what deadline acquisitions cost.

Are you trying to tell me that Sutton has the same value than Grebeshkov?
If yes, then this discussion is likely over, and we'll agree to disagree.
PLus, the fact that we now have 4 defensive defensemen in the line up when we have one of the worst PP in the league doesn't quite work with me.

That's why we have Alfie and Shannon running our powerplay on the point.

We really do have a serious lacking of a legitimate offensive defenceman. Who's the last guy Ottawa had that could score 20+ of defence?

Dash wrote:That's why we have Alfie and Shannon running our powerplay on the point.

We really do have a serious lacking of a legitimate offensive defenceman. Who's the last guy Ottawa had that could score 20+ of defence?

Redden.

Dash wrote:That's why we have Alfie and Shannon running our powerplay on the point.

We really do have a serious lacking of a legitimate offensive defenceman. Who's the last guy Ottawa had that could score 20+ of defence?

Corvo.

Devo wrote:

hemlock wrote:

I never said it did. My point is that Murray consistently trades our picks away for little more than fluff at the deadline. Why is he bothering, that's my point.

How is this move sensible? Depth? We need another defensive d-man behind Phillips, Volchenkov and Carkner? No. We could have used a PMD tenfold more.

How many more PMD's do you need over Karlsson, Kuba, and Campoli?

Kuba is in over his head as the "#1 dman" on this team. Karlsson is a raw rookie, despite his progress and is just now coming off an injury. Campoli is well....Campoli. Is there one person here that can say HONESTLY that they are comfortable with this collection of PMDs going into the playoffs?

This blueline doesn't exactly make me wet my pantaloons. An upgrade in an area that we could have used it would have been nice. That's my objection to this deal. Murray added depth to a stronger area, while ignoring an area that could have been upgraded.

marakh wrote:

Devo wrote:

marakh wrote:

Devo wrote:

marakh wrote:
There is a few players that look quite good in that range IMO. I cannot believe that a draft in 2010 is poor on 2nd round level.
Even if they don't like the players at 50-60, they can use that to trade up or down.
I would have taken quantity over quality in forward prospects because our pool at F is disgusting. Trading 1 2nd rounder is fine for a rental, but 2, I don't think is a good idea.
Could be, but for Andy Sutton, don't think so.

I don't quite get it, just about everyone on this site was screaming for Murray to pick up a top 6 forward and another defenseman, but you didn't want to give up a roster player, and you didn't want to give up any prospects, and you didn't want to give up 2nd round picks.

Do you honestly believe that you could get a 5/6 dman at the trade deadline for a 3rd round pick or worse? Would you have been happy to go into the playoffs with Lee or Campoli instead of Sutton?

Where exactly did I say I didn't want to give up any prospects? I would give anybody not named Wiercioch or Cowen. I would even give Wiercioch if we can get a solid top 4.
A 35 year old depth rental? 3rd/4th rounders + Brian Lee/Obrien ish would have gotten my vote.

Do you really think that Lee/Obrien have any worth out in the market place? Obviously the market is way way different than what you think it should be, because Grebeshkov went for a 2nd round pick. Leopold went for a 2nd round pick. Seems to me you've under valued what deadline acquisitions cost.

Are you trying to tell me that Sutton has the same value than Grebeshkov?
If yes, then this discussion is likely over, and we'll agree to disagree.
PLus, the fact that we now have 4 defensive defensemen in the line up when we have one of the worst PP in the league doesn't quite work with me.

Bingo! We have a winner. This is my point as well. We definitely could use another guy to bring the puck up ice with confidence, as well as another big shot from the blueline. Andy Diddling Sutton isn't either of those things.

Dash wrote:That's why we have Alfie and Shannon running our powerplay on the point.

We really do have a serious lacking of a legitimate offensive defenceman. Who's the last guy Ottawa had that could score 20+ of defence?

That's just bad decision making from the coaching staff. There is no legitimate reason for leaving Campoli and Karlsson off of the PP other than salaries and coaches playing favourites. Karlsson and Campoli played their best hockey paired together for 20+ minutes per game, by the way.

stempniaksen wrote:

Dash wrote:That's why we have Alfie and Shannon running our powerplay on the point.

We really do have a serious lacking of a legitimate offensive defenceman. Who's the last guy Ottawa had that could score 20+ of defence?

Redden.

He's never hit the 20 mark, 17 was his high. And he has sucked ever since.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Corvo.

His high is 14 goals.

20+ is a little high in the expectations, last season only 3 defenceman broke 20 - Green, Weber and Souray.

I'd say 15 is the ideal #.

hemlock wrote:Kuba is in over his head as the "#1 dman" on this team. Karlsson is a raw rookie, despite his progress and is just now coming off an injury. Campoli is well....Campoli. Is there one person here that can say HONESTLY that they are comfortable with this collection of PMDs going into the playoffs?

This blueline doesn't exactly make me wet my pantaloons. An upgrade in an area that we could have used it would have been nice. That's my objection to this deal. Murray added depth to a stronger area, while ignoring an area that could have been upgraded.

Just to be clear before I agree with you. I didn't want Sutton, he wasn't my first choice but I knew he was a guy Murray would go after and I just had a feeling Murray would get him.

But what have we been saying all year? If we could just upgrade Campoli then we'd be all set. Now it doesn't appear that's going to happen.

hemlock wrote:

Devo wrote:

hemlock wrote:

I never said it did. My point is that Murray consistently trades our picks away for little more than fluff at the deadline. Why is he bothering, that's my point.

How is this move sensible? Depth? We need another defensive d-man behind Phillips, Volchenkov and Carkner? No. We could have used a PMD tenfold more.

How many more PMD's do you need over Karlsson, Kuba, and Campoli?

Kuba is in over his head as the "#1 dman" on this team. Karlsson is a raw rookie, despite his progress and is just now coming off an injury. Campoli is well....Campoli. Is there one person here that can say HONESTLY that they are comfortable with this collection of PMDs going into the playoffs?

This blueline doesn't exactly make me wet my pantaloons. An upgrade in an area that we could have used it would have been nice. That's my objection to this deal. Murray added depth to a stronger area, while ignoring an area that could have been upgraded.

I would love to improve in that area, but name ONE PMD who is rumoured to be available. Just one.

Urkie wrote:

hemlock wrote:Kuba is in over his head as the "#1 dman" on this team. Karlsson is a raw rookie, despite his progress and is just now coming off an injury. Campoli is well....Campoli. Is there one person here that can say HONESTLY that they are comfortable with this collection of PMDs going into the playoffs?

This blueline doesn't exactly make me wet my pantaloons. An upgrade in an area that we could have used it would have been nice. That's my objection to this deal. Murray added depth to a stronger area, while ignoring an area that could have been upgraded.

Just to be clear before I agree with you. I didn't want Sutton, he wasn't my first choice but I knew he was a guy Murray would go after and I just had a feeling Murray would get him.

But what have we been saying all year? If we could just upgrade Campoli then we'd be all set. Now it doesn't appear that's going to happen.

You upgrade Campoli by giving him PP minutes.

marakh wrote:
Are you trying to tell me that Sutton has the same value than Grebeshkov?
If yes, then this discussion is likely over, and we'll agree to disagree.
PLus, the fact that we now have 4 defensive defensemen in the line up when we have one of the worst PP in the league doesn't quite work with me.

I guess it is over...you really think that Greb is that much better...he has 4 more points for gods sake...he's not as physical, he doesn't block as many shots and he's an RFA (which as someone pointed out we have enough of a problem with the ones we currently need to sign).

As for the Powerplay, seems to me that if Kuba started shooting more it wouldn't be an issue. Greb is hardly the answer to our PP woes.

Barker was available, and while many say he sucks, he's probably capable of being a top 4 OFD.

Souray? Visnovsky? Zidlicky was. Corvo (no chance)?

RobbyJ wrote:I would love to improve in that area, but name ONE PMD who is rumoured to be available. Just one.

Paying a little bit extra to get Seidenberg would have been good. He's a warrior and he contributes offensively.

hemlock wrote:
I never said it did. My point is that Murray consistently trades our picks away for little more than fluff at the deadline. Why is he bothering, that's my point.

How is this move sensible? Depth? We need another defensive d-man behind Phillips, Volchenkov and Carkner? No. We could have used a PMD tenfold more.

You can't have a PMD. It's that plain and simple. You can have Liles from Colorado as long as you take his 4.2 million per year, outside of that? I don't see many available - and if they are, it would cost an arm and a leg.