POLL: Which D-man will the Sens acquire on/by March 3rd

PKC wrote:They are going to be moving those other two goaltenders as insurance markers, and I think Leclaire could be the kind of goaltender they could use as a potential fail-safe in case DiPietro can't get his career back on track.

It's convoluted, I know. But there will be teams looking for cheap veteran backups come March 3, that's a guarantee.

They could I guess...we'll see.

I know I'd take Roloson or Biron over Leclaire though.

I think people are giving up on Leclaire too quickly, Islanders are the last team that are going to take another goalie.

Hoags wrote:I think people are giving up on Leclaire too quickly, Islanders are the last team that are going to take another goalie.

There's a reason Leclaire didn't play this past weekend and it's because he's struggling with his game. Hopefully after the break he gets that straightened out but if he doesn't then Murray might have to make a move.

We can't go in solely relying on a rookie goalie. Elliott's been good but we need an adequate backup.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:You keep wanting to trade Kelly and that keeps aggravating me. I think that long term, you're not going to replace Kelly with a 33 year old Cullen besides, Kelly has been one of our best players this year; as N4L would say, get your head out of the stats book. There is more to Hockey than how many goals and assists you score.

We have more than enough players that don't score goals and get assists. Trust me.

I don't want to trade Kelly, I want to acquire one of Hamhuis, Ballard, Seidenberg, Robidas... Look at the deal Carolina made. It cost them Cullen to get Picard and a 2nd.

None of those guys are Picard and a 2nd. Do the math. If you're not ready to deal a valuable player for one of those D, you're not interested in getting better or winning playoff rounds, for that matter.

FLA will be ecstatic to get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Seidenberg -- a guy they signed to a 1-year deal, picked up for nothing, and who is having a solid but by no means stellar season.

I think he's the most likely guy we pick up because he's going to go for reasonably cheap, and that's what we need.

I'm strongly against moving any big roster pieces for a rental, or even mixing up the chemistry of this room by moving a lot of names around. Make the smart, cheap move (ala Stuart to DET, Guerin to PIT) because those big acquisitions never pan out like you want and always cost too much. Seidenberg to OTT for a 3rd, with maybe a prospect like Lee or O'Brien added if that's what it takes.

Hoags wrote:I think people are giving up on Leclaire too quickly, Islanders are the last team that are going to take another goalie.

People always underestimate GMs and the way they operate. You have to remember there are things they know that we don't. They are privy to information about their players that we can only obtain once released through media.

We also know that Snow signed those two goaltenders in the off-season in the hopes of moving one or both during the trade deadline once DiPietro had returned from injury.

We also know that if they do decide to move both, they are going to want a capable goaltender to have as a fail-safe in case their main guy in nets goes down again.

Also assume that if they are moving both of their backup goaltenders - Biron and Roloson - that it will be teams knocking on the doors of contention looking for a cheap, veteran backup to ensure that their post-season dreams don't go out the door with a tweaked ankle or a small back injury.

Those teams are not likely to give away any of their top goaltenders, so if they can acquire a Leclaire, who when healthy IS a better goaltender than Biron and Roloson, in exchange for a free agent signed goaltender and a 5/6 defenseman they are willing to move, then why not do it.

I'm not saying this is 100% guaranteed to happen. But I am saying it's probably just as if not more likely than acquiring Keith Ballard for instance.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

TheAvatar wrote:You keep wanting to trade Kelly and that keeps aggravating me. I think that long term, you're not going to replace Kelly with a 33 year old Cullen besides, Kelly has been one of our best players this year; as N4L would say, get your head out of the stats book. There is more to Hockey than how many goals and assists you score.

We have more than enough players that don't score goals and get assists. Trust me.

I don't want to trade Kelly, I want to acquire one of Hamhuis, Ballard, Seidenberg, Robidas... Look at the deal Carolina made. It cost them Cullen to get Picard and a 2nd.

None of those guys are Picard and a 2nd. Do the math. If you're not ready to deal a valuable player for one of those D, you're not interested in getting better or winning playoff rounds, for that matter.

FLA will be ecstatic to get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Seidenberg -- a guy they signed to a 1-year deal, picked up for nothing, and who is having a solid but by no means stellar season.

I think he's the most likely guy we pick up because he's going to go for reasonably cheap, and that's what we need.

I'm strongly against moving any big roster pieces for a rental, or even mixing up the chemistry of this room by moving a lot of names around. Make the smart, cheap move (ala Stuart to DET, Guerin to PIT) because those big acquisitions never pan out like you want and always cost too much. Seidenberg to OTT for a 3rd, with maybe a prospect like Lee or O'Brien added if that's what it takes.

I don't think it even takes a draft pick to be honest. Brian Lee straight up for Seidenberg is a good deal for both sides.

PKC wrote:

I don't think it even takes a draft pick to be honest. Brian Lee straight up for Seidenberg is a good deal for both sides.

Either way, the point is, some of these guys aren't going to cost us an arm and a leg, as was suggested earlier.

I'd love Hamhuis, but my guess is that NSH will either hold on to him regardless of whether or not he re-signs (NSH is gunning for the playoffs) or they will want a scoring forward in return (someone like Shannon / Foligno / Regin -- all deal-breakers with me, at this point, given team cheimstry).

Going after Ballard, who would be wonderful, would be tough. It'd mean depleting our forward depth, as well as more meaningful picks/prospects. You do it if you can if it means not gutting your team, but the price would be awfully steep. Foligno + Lee + 1st/2nd might get it done. That's a deal I'd think long and hard about, for sure, but even if it happens, we're in an even tougher spot for next year, with Volchenkov up for re-signing and Kuba (who has a NTC) needing to get moved.

This is pretty exciting. We are getting the league leader in blocked shots for no more than a 3rd and a prospect we don't want?

This is the greatest day since that day The Smashing Pumpkins described in that "Today" song.

SeawaySensFan wrote:This is pretty exciting. We are getting the league leader in blocked shots for no more than a 3rd and a prospect we don't want?

This is the greatest day since that day The Smashing Pumpkins described in that "Today" song.

DET got Brad Stuart (arguably, a better player than Seidenberg) for a 2nd and a 4th back in 2008. A 2nd/3rd plus Lee/O'Brien (both former 1st round picks) doesn't sound like an undersell to me.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:This is pretty exciting. We are getting the league leader in blocked shots for no more than a 3rd and a prospect we don't want?

This is the greatest day since that day The Smashing Pumpkins described in that "Today" song.

DET got Brad Stuart (arguably, a better player than Seidenberg) for a 2nd and a 4th back in 2008. A 2nd/3rd plus Lee/O'Brien (both former 1st round picks) doesn't sound like an undersell to me.

That was a great pick up for them.

ddt wrote:To make up for my last post, here's something I just found that might be of interest.

Nice. I like this GM's Office guy, at least he has some interesting Dung there.

PKC wrote:
Holy Christ...the kid is 21! Give him a chance to develop before you start saying he's not likely to be a player who can make an impact for us. He had 17 goals in what was his first full year on the team last season and this year he was already starting to look like more and more of a scoring threat with his bullish strength, underrated speed and strong board work.

Giving up on the guy right now isn't just foolish, it's flat out dumb. And it's the kind of move that you look back on and say "What the hell was that GM thinking when he made that trade?"

You have to give something to get that illustrious D-man. Adding Ballard at Foligno's expense hurts, but it isn't as devastating as people might think IMO.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:What would you think of this PKC?

Leclaire and Lee for

Sutton and Biron

Roloson please.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:This is pretty exciting. We are getting the league leader in blocked shots for no more than a 3rd and a prospect we don't want?

This is the greatest day since that day The Smashing Pumpkins described in that "Today" song.

DET got Brad Stuart (arguably, a better player than Seidenberg) for a 2nd and a 4th back in 2008. A 2nd/3rd plus Lee/O'Brien (both former 1st round picks) doesn't sound like an undersell to me.

Here's what I know. Seidenberg plays 22 minutes a night, has 22 points, leads the league in blocked shots and has more hits than Volchenkov and Weber, to name two.

If that's all it takes to land this player, when in 2010 a 2nd rounder gets you Wallin and a 5th, I'll be a happy camper.

If we trade Leclaire, we're gonna need the money to sign Elliott to a real contract in the future.

I'm not sure if we can label Elliott as #1 just yet, nor Brodeur as a backup.

SpezDispenser wrote:
You have to give something to get that illustrious D-man. Adding Ballard at Foligno's expense hurts, but it isn't as devastating as people might think IMO.

This team has almost zero top-6 forward prospects and Foligno (esp. lately) is the best of the bunch.

Who's going to replace Alfie and Kovalev down the road ? We got nothing.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Here's what I know. Seidenberg plays 22 minutes a night, has 22 points, leads the league in blocked shots and has more hits than Volchenkov and Weber, to name two.

If that's all it takes to land this player, when in 2010 a 2nd rounder gets you Wallin and a 5th, I'll be a happy camper.

Hahaha, so true about Wallin.

Hoags wrote:
This team has almost zero top-6 forward prospects and Foligno (esp. lately) is the best of the bunch.

Who's going to replace Alfie and Kovalev down the road ? We got nothing.

Michalek, Spezza (I mean...right?), Regin, Kelly. I realize what you're saying, it's bad news, but...assuming we draft mostly forwards for the next couple of years, combined with the fact that the cold hard truth is: Alfie and Kovalev retiring/leaving is 9 million dollars in cap space...you can probably get by without Foligno going forward.

It's not optimum to trade a cheap power forward like that, but it depends on the return IMO.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Hoags wrote:
This team has almost zero top-6 forward prospects and Foligno (esp. lately) is the best of the bunch.

Who's going to replace Alfie and Kovalev down the road ? We got nothing.

Michalek, Spezza (I mean...right?), Regin, Kelly. I realize what you're saying, it's bad news, but...assuming we draft mostly forwards for the next couple of years, combined with the fact that the cold hard truth is: Alfie and Kovalev retiring/leaving is 9 million dollars in cap space...you can probably get by without Foligno going forward.

It's not optimum to trade a cheap power forward like that, but it depends on the return IMO.

Going forward, as in not just this year but now to five years, what's a bigger concern to address: our blueline with Phillips, Karlsson, Kuba, Weircioch, Cowen, Carkner, Volchenkov or our forward ranks with Spezza, Michalek, Fisher, Regin?