GAME DAY: Ottawa Senators @ Toronto Maple Leafs - 7:00pm ET - SAT. Feb 6, 2010

Michallica wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

asq2 wrote:
Haha, I was thinking about this somewhat indirectly. I don't think we should make any moves but once you've gone Karlsson it's tough to go back to Picard/Campoli as your primary puck-movement.

This loss just cemented to me how integral Patrick Wiercioch is to our future.

For sure. Or Visnovsky now?

I really want Visnovsky so badly! He could cure what ails our team without karlsson...and then with Karlsson? Wow.

But realistically, I'm guessing they go for Kubina. Expiring contract, good numbers. Judging from how Lou fleeced Waddell, how about Campoli + 2nd rounder for Kubina

Edit: Numbers wouldn't add up, and no one wants Cheechoo

Edmonton might take a risk on Cheechoo.

I was watching the Edmonton/Colorado game (boring), but funnily enough Marek Svatos looked really good. I was watching closely, there's nothing wrong with his game, good wrist shot, shifty moves, speed, back-checking.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Michallica wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

asq2 wrote:
Haha, I was thinking about this somewhat indirectly. I don't think we should make any moves but once you've gone Karlsson it's tough to go back to Picard/Campoli as your primary puck-movement.

This loss just cemented to me how integral Patrick Wiercioch is to our future.

For sure. Or Visnovsky now?

I really want Visnovsky so badly! He could cure what ails our team without karlsson...and then with Karlsson? Wow.

But realistically, I'm guessing they go for Kubina. Expiring contract, good numbers. Judging from how Lou fleeced Waddell, how about Campoli + 2nd rounder for Kubina

Edit: Numbers wouldn't add up, and no one wants Cheechoo

Edmonton might take a risk on Cheechoo.

I was watching the Edmonton/Colorado game (boring), but funnily enough Marek Svatos looked really good. I was watching closely, there's nothing wrong with his game, good wrist shot, shifty moves, speed, back-checking.

Tonight perhaps. That's his problem. Here tonight, gone tomorrow.

hemlock wrote:

Tonight perhaps. That's his problem. Here tonight, gone tomorrow.

You think maybe him and Kovalev could work out a schedule ?

Clouston was also his Jr coach, Svatos looked like he can still play and play at a fairly high level. A change of scenery would do him a world of good and you wouldnt have to give up much to get him.

AlfieisGod11 wrote:

marakh wrote:

AlfieisGod11 wrote:Is Thomas Vokoun available? I think maybe Murray would be able to package up Leclaire and Campoli and a few odds and ends and make it work.

Bad idea. Those kind of games happen, let's move on.

It really depends on what you want this team to accomplish this year. Now considering what happened last season, missing the playoffs and the Heatley soap opera, and the year before getting embarrassed by Pittsburgh, I'm fine with the team making it to the playoffs, making it a heck of a series, but if this team were to fall short in the first round I would not be upset. I think with Vokoun in net you are better. Leclaire has been a disappointment in my eyes, and the fact that he gave up a goal in relief effort just doesn't settle well with me.

Ummm what? A goalie has been The Sens MVP for a lot of the year and you want to trade for a guy who hasnt really done much in The NHL over his time there and basically nothing in the playoffs? Vokoun is about as inconsistant as you can get. He will be hot for a long stretch then awful for another, hell he lost his starting job last year and the only reason he wasnt moved was because of his contract.

Also, WTF does Leclaire have to do with anything at this point? Is he the number 1 guy, no he isnt. Elliott is.

Goaltending had nothing to do with being embarassed against Pitts in 08, Gerber was easily the best player in that series for The Sens and was the only reason it was more humiliating then it actually was. As for missing the playoffs... what does goaltending have to do with that either? Goaltending was a problem last year before the new year, after that Elliott was great. It wasnt the difference between making the playoffs and missing out.

So I ask, what the hell does adding Vokoun or any goaltender add to The Sens or provide that they dont already have?

Wow, so much panic -- 'trade everyone, get a new goalie, waive this and that guy...'

Yikes. Breathe deep. It's just one game. I know it sucks to sit through a game like tonight, but remember we won 11 previously. Let's see how we play these next four games before the break before get too anxious.

A few streaks are over. One I forgot to mention in my earlier post is consecutive NHL Star of the Week honors. I don't really think Elliott will be considered this week.

Oh, well. The streaks are dead. Long live the streaks.

N4L wrote:Cant believe what Karlsson how much this team suffered without him.

The whole team collectively laid an egg; adding Karlsson to the line up wouldn't have changed anything.

They stunk from top to bottom.

Guys, it's just a bad game. No worries. No panic please. Actually, I'll echo the thought that it brings them back to earth (Don't get me wrong, I would have wanted them to win) and lets them know what happens when :

- you're not working hard
- you're not working the system

What's going to tell the tale of the 2009/2010 sens is less the game they brutally lost than the how they play the one right after.

TheAvatar wrote:Guys, it's just a bad game. No worries. No panic please. Actually, I'll echo the thought that it brings them back to earth (Don't get me wrong, I would have wanted them to win) and lets them know what happens when :

- you're not working hard
- you're not working the system

What's going to tell the tale of the 2009/2010 sens is less the game they brutally lost than the how they play the one right after.

Yeah, for sure. Back at it on Tuesday. We weren't gonna win them all.

Name the player that was good. I guess the 4th line played all right at times.

If you're going to suck, might as well have everyone suck on the same night.

Elliott will start Tuesday.

dennycrane wrote:Name the player that was good. I guess the 4th line played all right at times.

If you're going to suck, might as well have everyone suck on the same night.

Elliott will start Tuesday.

Out of curiosity: is that a prediction, or confirmed?

I tend to agree, tho'. You just don't bench the guy for one bad game, after having had 9 stellar games beforehand.

TeamRenzo wrote:

N4L wrote:Cant believe what Karlsson how much this team suffered without him.

The whole team collectively laid an egg; adding Karlsson to the line up wouldn't have changed anything.

They stunk from top to bottom.

I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are. There isn't a player on the roster with half the offensive talent that he already has. He adds so much and it's so blatantly obvious that I'm astonished at how you could miss it. He was a gigantic part of the transition game that helped power us to 11 straight. He's got that Alfredsson quality of leading by example and his example makes the players around him better.

TheAvatar wrote:Guys, it's just a bad game. No worries. No panic please. Actually, I'll echo the thought that it brings them back to earth (Don't get me wrong, I would have wanted them to win) and lets them know what happens when :

- you're not working hard
- you're not working the system

What's going to tell the tale of the 2009/2010 sens is less the game they brutally lost than the how they play the one right after.

Agreed.

I'm just throwing it out there but: I've watched a lot of Sens games recently (all of them, actually) and I did not recognize the team that played last night. They were nothing like the team that went 11-0, nor were they anywhere near the team that went 0-5 prior to that. All I'm saying is that, maybe some off-ice occurance was keeping them from getting involved the same way, if you catch my drift.

Gohan wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:

N4L wrote:Cant believe what Karlsson how much this team suffered without him.

The whole team collectively laid an egg; adding Karlsson to the line up wouldn't have changed anything.

They stunk from top to bottom.

I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are. There isn't a player on the roster with half the offensive talent that he already has. He adds so much and it's so blatantly obvious that I'm astonished at how you could miss it. He was a gigantic part of the transition game that helped power us to 11 straight. He's got that Alfredsson quality of leading by example and his example makes the players around him better.

Well, I dunno, he was right about one thing -- we did stink from top to bottom. We still lose that game if we have Karlsson in the line up -- maybe just not by a shutout. I haven't seen us play such a stupid, lazy game since that 6-1 lose to the Thrashers.

Karlsson's absence was very noticeable, tho'. It's amazing how quickly he has already become better than Campoli and Picard.

There was something extra motivating the Leafs to win that maybe was also a motivating factor in the Sens not playing their best. It will never be known for certain, but I think that played as much a part in last night's result as anything.

Gohan wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:

N4L wrote:Cant believe what Karlsson how much this team suffered without him.

The whole team collectively laid an egg; adding Karlsson to the line up wouldn't have changed anything.

They stunk from top to bottom.

I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are. There isn't a player on the roster with half the offensive talent that he already has. He adds so much and it's so blatantly obvious that I'm astonished at how you could miss it. He was a gigantic part of the transition game that helped power us to 11 straight. He's got that Alfredsson quality of leading by example and his example makes the players around him better.

Wow, that was a very dramatic post. Let me get this straight; EK has more offensive talent then anyone else on the team?

Does that mean he will not have bad games from time to time?

Elliot was probably the biggest reason for the 11 game stretch and he played last night. Should the same logic not be applied? Even the player in which you use to describe EK played and they stunk.

EK has been awesome lately, key word being lately. I do beleive he will be a top tier d-man in the league, he is an incredible talent. I think as a team last night they were horrible and I don't think that adding EK into the line up would have changed it from a 5-0 Donkey whooping to a win.

With all that being said I think the removal of Picard from the line up would have increased our chances to win. Addition by subtraction.

EK would have certainly helped IMO. The transition game was awful, Kuba and Campoli were in our zone most of the game, and just one little spark from Karlsson, just one pass can change the dynamic of the game.