Update: Leafs acquire Phaneuf + 2 others for Hagman, Stajan, White and Mayers (CONFIRMED) + Giguere for Blake and Toskala (CONFIRMED)

Giguere owns the Sens... just sayin'.

oh what a day
not sure who got the best of the trades cant wait to watch phaneuf on leafs really hope he bombs, not like kessel was playing with any talent before but know hese playing by himself with phaneuf and giguere on the back

Calgary definitely got more depth and all-around better, as already said, for the year. Problem comes up when they have to re-sign players, but that can also be looked at as a positive - extra cap space for a big move.

Toronto gets a young defenceman who is capable of being a franchise defenceman. Yes he has faults, but he is still a good player and can get better. The Leafs problem now is scoring goals. They may have improved their chances of preventing them, but who is going to score them?

If Burke is overhauling the team, he should waive Finger, clear almost $4mil and bring up Kadri, Mitchell et al.

Go sign some more NCAA players and ex-NHLers.

Dash wrote:Giguere owns the Sens... just sayin'.

Thomas owned the SEns.
A new era has begun.

marakh wrote:

Dash wrote:Giguere owns the Sens... just sayin'.

Thomas owned the SEns.
A new era has begun.

I second that.
Elliot owns the league

Dash wrote:Giguere owns the Sens... just sayin'.

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away he did, yeah.

Dash wrote:Calgary definitely got more depth and all-around better, as already said, for the year. Problem comes up when they have to re-sign players, but that can also be looked at as a positive - extra cap space for a big move.

Toronto gets a young defenceman who is capable of being a franchise defenceman. Yes he has faults, but he is still a good player and can get better. The Leafs problem now is scoring goals. They may have improved their chances of preventing them, but who is going to score them?

If Burke is overhauling the team, he should waive Finger, clear almost $4mil and bring up Kadri, Mitchell et al.

Go sign some more NCAA players and ex-NHLers.

NOt sure about that.

Wow. What was Calgary thinking?

asq2 wrote:Wow. What was Calgary thinking?

Something like: "Let's give away a quality prospect and an elite PKer."

marakh wrote:

Dash wrote:Calgary definitely got more depth and all-around better, as already said, for the year. Problem comes up when they have to re-sign players, but that can also be looked at as a positive - extra cap space for a big move.

Toronto gets a young defenceman who is capable of being a franchise defenceman. Yes he has faults, but he is still a good player and can get better. The Leafs problem now is scoring goals. They may have improved their chances of preventing them, but who is going to score them?

If Burke is overhauling the team, he should waive Finger, clear almost $4mil and bring up Kadri, Mitchell et al.

Go sign some more NCAA players and ex-NHLers.

NOt sure about that.

I said MAY HAVE.

hemlock wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:I should clarify something, given some of the other responses to this trade:

I DO think this makes CGY a better team THIS year. Stajan and Hagman are decent players -- solid 2nd/3rd line players who can contribute 50+ points a season. And I really like White, I do.

The problem as I see it is the long-term aspect of this deal. Phaneuf is/was among the top-5 young defencemen in the league. Half of CGY's return becomes UFA/RFA after this year. I just don't think that's a good enough return on Phaneuf, especially since you had to give up Aulie to make the deal happen.

At the beginning of next year, CGY will have Hagman and White on their roster, and maybe Stajan if they can afford him. I guess that's not horrible, after all, if you think Phaneuf is done / overrated / overpaid -- but I just can't write off a 24-year all-star this early into his career.

Only when they hit 27 right?

Sorry, I couldn't resist

Dang, you beat me to it

In terms of Spezza, one of his "development" years was spent in the AHL. He also had to endure parts of three seasons under Martin, Paddock and Hartsburg. This may very-well be the first good coach he's had since Murray. So, yes, he may be 27 (and this post really belongs in another thread) but I'm willing to give him a couple-three years' worth of grace.

Dash wrote:Giguere owns the Sens... just sayin'.

If you a were/are in any way suggesting that Burke made this deal to beat the cross-province rivals, I think you are way, way off the mark. He's got a lot more to worry about than just beating the Sens.

Obviously not, I meant it as much as the people who thought that Burke made the moves so the Sens would score more goals against the Leafs.

wprager wrote:

Dash wrote:Giguere owns the Sens... just sayin'.

If you a were/are in any way suggesting that Burke made this deal to beat the cross-province rivals, I think you are way, way off the mark. He's got a lot more to worry about than just beating the Sens.

Yep, I'd say these moves today don't do much to straighten this franchise out. Phaneuf has some real questions about him, and now they've raped their scoring.

I'm not sure this franchise is any better than yesterday, for now or the future.

My guess is Kaberle is moved out for some scoring at some point.

Kessel, Kadri, Schenn, Phaneuf, Gustavsson is a more talented young core than the Leafs have had in a long time.

I'm shocked that Calgary didn't pull a Schenn or Kaberle out of this.

Also, it's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand but Spezza is 26, not 27.

hemlock wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:I should clarify something, given some of the other responses to this trade:

I DO think this makes CGY a better team THIS year. Stajan and Hagman are decent players -- solid 2nd/3rd line players who can contribute 50+ points a season. And I really like White, I do.

The problem as I see it is the long-term aspect of this deal. Phaneuf is/was among the top-5 young defencemen in the league. Half of CGY's return becomes UFA/RFA after this year. I just don't think that's a good enough return on Phaneuf, especially since you had to give up Aulie to make the deal happen.

At the beginning of next year, CGY will have Hagman and White on their roster, and maybe Stajan if they can afford him. I guess that's not horrible, after all, if you think Phaneuf is done / overrated / overpaid -- but I just can't write off a 24-year all-star this early into his career.

Only when they hit 27 right?

Sorry, I couldn't resist

All kinds of comments for this one (and the related ones that followed):

-- at 27, Spezza enters his would-be UFA years, which means his NMC kicks in. So, yeah, there's a HUGE difference between 24 and 26 in my mind. TOR has 3 more years before they have to make up their mind on the future of Phaneuf, and they're not tied down with a big, untradeable contract thereafter. We have about that many months to figure things out with Spezza.

-- everyone and their mom knows that it takes defencemen far longer to develop than forwards. You have to be more patient with young defencemen. For a defenceman to struggle with in his own end in the first half-dozen or so years of his career is not unheard of at all.

-- one of the bigger reasons that I'm opposed to this deal is not so much Phaneuf as the inclusion of Aulie. I don't see why they had to include the best prospect along with the best player to make this deal happen.

-- you'll notice that, by the end of that post, I had pretty much talked myself into the position that, 'hey, actually, this deal isn't all that bad for CGY going forward, as long as they can sign White to a good contract, and as long as Stajan does well and they can sign him, too.' I can see the first happening quite easily; and the latter seems probable, if not a sure thing. So, yeah, I look at that deal and I start to think, 'if we could send Cheechoo the other way, and/or get a team to include a high draft pick / good prospect, we might have to consider a deal for Spezza just like that.'

asq2 wrote:Also, it's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand but Spezza is 26, not 27.

Yep. But all my posts have been saying "he's TURNING 27 this year." And 27 is a key year for Spezza -- it's the beginning of his UFA-eligible years, and hence the beginning of his NMC.