Whitney? What are the trade deadline options?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

For the money we spent and the trades we made to "get Fish going", of course I'm not suggesting otherwise. Best move ever.

By your own argument, it was either Vermette or Fisher who had to go -- because we needed a good piece to secure a goalie, and because we can only have 1 2nd line centre.

Fisher is the better player, full stop. I think the only time I've ever heard the phrase "we have to get Fish going" as a justification for making this or that move/signing is in your posts. Fish carried this time down the stretch last year, and he did a lot of the lifting early this year, and he continues to make significant contributions.

There's just no way you keep Vermette over Fisher. Tough spot and sucks we had to lose one at all, but there we are.

PKC wrote:Vermette was a cap casualty, plain and simple. He was redundant on the roster and a move became available to address another area that was more of a concern than a fringe second liner who can kill penalties and is fast.

If Lehner is anything at all what he's projected to be, there's certainly the possibility that Vermette for Lehner straight swap would have been a fleecing for this team.

In the end, Vermette for Leclaire and Lehner will be one of the most lopsided trades in team history.

Then maybe Kelly would make an equally appropriate cap casualty as well? He might not be a "fringe second liner" but he does kill penalties and he is fast.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

For the money we spent and the trades we made to "get Fish going", of course I'm not suggesting otherwise. Best move ever.

By your own argument, it was either Vermette or Fisher who had to go -- because we needed a good piece to secure a goalie, and because we can only have 1 2nd line centre.

Fisher is the better player, full stop. I think the only time I've ever heard the phrase "we have to get Fish going" as a justification for making this or that move/signing is in your posts. Fish carried this time down the stretch last year, and he did a lot of the lifting early this year, and he continues to make significant contributions.

There's just no way you keep Vermette over Fisher. Tough spot and sucks we had to lose one at all, but there we are.

How does any of this get us any closer to acquiring the Wizard?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

For the money we spent and the trades we made to "get Fish going", of course I'm not suggesting otherwise. Best move ever.

By your own argument, it was either Vermette or Fisher who had to go -- because we needed a good piece to secure a goalie, and because we can only have 1 2nd line centre.

Fisher is the better player, full stop. I think the only time I've ever heard the phrase "we have to get Fish going" as a justification for making this or that move/signing is in your posts. Fish carried this time down the stretch last year, and he did a lot of the lifting early this year, and he continues to make significant contributions.

There's just no way you keep Vermette over Fisher. Tough spot and sucks we had to lose one at all, but there we are.

How does any of this get us any closer to acquiring the Wizard?

Haha. Good question. How'd we get here, anyway?

rooneypoo wrote:Haha. Good question. How'd we get here, anyway?

It was my fault because I got the impression we were less attached to Vermette than we are to Kelly, who is a lesser player, in my opinion.

What I think is that we are definitely getting a player or more and it will be interesting to see who we give up. That's pretty much it.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:Haha. Good question. How'd we get here, anyway?

It was my fault because I got the impression we were less attached to Vermette than we are to Kelly, who is a lesser player, in my opinion.

What I think is that we are definitely getting a player or more and it will be interesting to see who we give up. That's pretty much it.

Oh, I would prefer Vermette to Kelly, for sure. Kelly doesn't get us Leclaire + Lehner, tho', unfortunately.

As for the deadline thing, I really don't see a way for us to add anything substantial. We're just too tight against the cap. I don't like breaking up the chemistry we're developed, either, so I really don't want to move a piece like Kelly.

If we have to make a move, it will be because it will have become apparent that Volchenkov won't sign with us and we decide to move him rather than lose him for nothing in July -- and if that happens, we're going to pursue a defenseman (Zidlicky?), not a forward.

Sorry, SSF, but I think Whitney is a pipedream. I just can't see where the cap space will come from.

i think it would be a mistake to disrupt the chemistry on this team. the only trade i would make would be to turn two of campoli/lee/picard into a strong veteran dman that is also cheap. i seriously doubt that happens, and i wont be disappointed when it doesnt.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:Haha. Good question. How'd we get here, anyway?

It was my fault because I got the impression we were less attached to Vermette than we are to Kelly, who is a lesser player, in my opinion.

What I think is that we are definitely getting a player or more and it will be interesting to see who we give up. That's pretty much it.

Oh, I would prefer Vermette to Kelly, for sure. Kelly doesn't get us Leclaire + Lehner, tho', unfortunately.

As for the deadline thing, I really don't see a way for us to add anything substantial. We're just too tight against the cap. I don't like breaking up the chemistry we're developed, either, so I really don't want to move a piece like Kelly.

If we have to make a move, it will be because it will have become apparent that Volchenkov won't sign with us and we decide to move him rather than lose him for nothing in July -- and if that happens, we're going to pursue a defenseman (Zidlicky?), not a forward.

Sorry, SSF, but I think Whitney is a pipedream. I just can't see where the cap space will come from.

Agreed. But I still think we make one or two moves. I hope they're worth it.

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:Haha. Good question. How'd we get here, anyway?

It was my fault because I got the impression we were less attached to Vermette than we are to Kelly, who is a lesser player, in my opinion.

What I think is that we are definitely getting a player or more and it will be interesting to see who we give up. That's pretty much it.

Oh, I would prefer Vermette to Kelly, for sure. Kelly doesn't get us Leclaire + Lehner, tho', unfortunately.

As for the deadline thing, I really don't see a way for us to add anything substantial. We're just too tight against the cap. I don't like breaking up the chemistry we're developed, either, so I really don't want to move a piece like Kelly.

If we have to make a move, it will be because it will have become apparent that Volchenkov won't sign with us and we decide to move him rather than lose him for nothing in July -- and if that happens, we're going to pursue a defenseman (Zidlicky?), not a forward.

Sorry, SSF, but I think Whitney is a pipedream. I just can't see where the cap space will come from.

i'd really hate to lose volchenkov now. almost as much as i'd hate to lose him for nothing in the offseason. however, whats the max you can pay him? i'd go to 15 million over 4 years as the absolute max.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:Haha. Good question. How'd we get here, anyway?

It was my fault because I got the impression we were less attached to Vermette than we are to Kelly, who is a lesser player, in my opinion.

What I think is that we are definitely getting a player or more and it will be interesting to see who we give up. That's pretty much it.

Oh, I would prefer Vermette to Kelly, for sure. Kelly doesn't get us Leclaire + Lehner, tho', unfortunately.

As for the deadline thing, I really don't see a way for us to add anything substantial. We're just too tight against the cap. I don't like breaking up the chemistry we're developed, either, so I really don't want to move a piece like Kelly.

If we have to make a move, it will be because it will have become apparent that Volchenkov won't sign with us and we decide to move him rather than lose him for nothing in July -- and if that happens, we're going to pursue a defenseman (Zidlicky?), not a forward.

Sorry, SSF, but I think Whitney is a pipedream. I just can't see where the cap space will come from.

Agreed. But I still think we make one or two moves. I hope they're worth it.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment / Murray-bashing. If we make a move, it will be of the Lapointe variety, not the Stillman variety.

garblar wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:Haha. Good question. How'd we get here, anyway?

It was my fault because I got the impression we were less attached to Vermette than we are to Kelly, who is a lesser player, in my opinion.

What I think is that we are definitely getting a player or more and it will be interesting to see who we give up. That's pretty much it.

Oh, I would prefer Vermette to Kelly, for sure. Kelly doesn't get us Leclaire + Lehner, tho', unfortunately.

As for the deadline thing, I really don't see a way for us to add anything substantial. We're just too tight against the cap. I don't like breaking up the chemistry we're developed, either, so I really don't want to move a piece like Kelly.

If we have to make a move, it will be because it will have become apparent that Volchenkov won't sign with us and we decide to move him rather than lose him for nothing in July -- and if that happens, we're going to pursue a defenseman (Zidlicky?), not a forward.

Sorry, SSF, but I think Whitney is a pipedream. I just can't see where the cap space will come from.

i'd really hate to lose volchenkov now. almost as much as i'd hate to lose him for nothing in the offseason. however, whats the max you can pay him? i'd go to 15 million over 4 years as the absolute max.

Yeah, I'd pay him Kuba money -- if you can ship out Kuba right after.

garblar wrote:i'd really hate to lose volchenkov now. almost as much as i'd hate to lose him for nothing in the offseason. however, whats the max you can pay him? i'd go to 15 million over 4 years as the absolute max.

So would I, but I hear that a deal is in the works sending Volchenkov, Foligno and Kelly to the desert for Zbynek Michalek, "Sugar" Shane Doan and Brett McLean. Or not.

Can we change the name of the topic to something like "Trade deadline official thread" or something similar? Since the talks have pretty much derailed into general deadline acquisitions / trade ideas.

marakh wrote:Can we change the name of the topic to something like "Trade deadline official thread" or something similar? Since the talks have pretty much derailed into general deadline acquisitions / trade ideas.

You've angered The Wizard. Nice going.

Bah. He's never talking anyway. He just keeps walking. Spreading his magic.

rooneypoo wrote:Bah. He's never talking anyway. He just keeps walking. Spreading his magic.

Probably most important, he turns tears into joy.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Any relation to The Wizard?

Alfie could rearrange the letters in Wizard to spell Ray Whitney.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Any relation to The Wizard?

Alfie could rearrange the letters in Wizard to spell Ray Whitney.

All anyone needs to know is:

Historically many great men have weld the powerful mustache, @JustinHawkins is one of them.

That pretty much says it all.