Whitney? What are the trade deadline options?

If we play 0.650 / 0.700 Hockey between now and the trade deadline, it'll change the picture in terms of expectations pretty drastically.

Mueller has gone from 22 goals, to 11 goals, to now 3 goals this year. The talent is obviously there, just something is not working for him currently. Let's take a chance.

hemlock wrote:

SDH89 wrote:

Hoags wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

That was my thinking, but this recent string of games makes me believe that this team could win a round or two. The revenue would be really nice, as well as getting some former fans back into the SBP.

I'm violently opposed to overpaying for Whitney though. It's practically guaranteed that he's a rental.

We've never ever done well with rentals. Our castoffs like shannon, kelly, lee etc. could net us someone much more useful than Whitney.

Like Mueller perhaps.

If BM is going to be swinging trades, it better be to solidify our core. Let's get some top 6 wingers that we could conceivably keep for the long run if they pan out.

You mention a guy like Peter Mueller, a guy with a ton of talent, but seemingly has lost his way in PHX. He's definately on the block, how much do you think the Yotes would be looking for in return. Would they be interested in a Brian Lee, another player who seems to need a change of address?

Mueller is a talent. He had a 51 point rookie season. I just question where we'd fit another centreman. No matter, let's do it anyway! Mueller and Michalek for Lee/whatever it takes.

Interesting angle. Make it so.

Mind you, I'm sure many of you have heard that Mueller may not even be interested in pursuing a pro hockey career any longer...

Hoags wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

That was my thinking, but this recent string of games makes me believe that this team could win a round or two. The revenue would be really nice, as well as getting some former fans back into the SBP.

I'm violently opposed to overpaying for Whitney though. It's practically guaranteed that he's a rental.

We've never ever done well with rentals. Our castoffs like shannon, kelly, lee etc. could net us someone much more useful than Whitney.

Like Mueller perhaps.

If BM is going to be swinging trades, it better be to solidify our core. Let's get some top 6 wingers that we could conceivably keep for the long run if they pan out.

I really take exception of Kelly being called a "castoff".

TheAvatar wrote:

Hoags wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

That was my thinking, but this recent string of games makes me believe that this team could win a round or two. The revenue would be really nice, as well as getting some former fans back into the SBP.

I'm violently opposed to overpaying for Whitney though. It's practically guaranteed that he's a rental.

We've never ever done well with rentals. Our castoffs like shannon, kelly, lee etc. could net us someone much more useful than Whitney.

Like Mueller perhaps.

If BM is going to be swinging trades, it better be to solidify our core. Let's get some top 6 wingers that we could conceivably keep for the long run if they pan out.

I really take exception of Kelly being called a "castoff".

Even Shannon has played his way out of that status imo.

I have a great idea. Let's keep stars like Shannon and Kelly and see where that takes us! Diddle the Wizard.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

Let's say we had Whitney would you say that we're a Ryan Shannon or Chris Kelly and a Brian Lee and a pick away from a Cup run?

It won't cost you that much to get Whitney. As much as I hate the Mackenzie, I have to say that I'm hearing similar things to what he said on the broadcast last night. It will cost you a minor league player and a 2nd round pick (tops) to get him. We have an extra 2nd round from San Jose, and we also have some minor league players in Lee, Campoli, Picard whom we can't all keep, along with some players in Kelly, Shannon..etc that we might part with.

At this point, I would offer Lee and a 2nd and see if they bite...anything more than Campoli or Picard and a 2nd, or Kelly straight up I wouldn't do.

TheAvatar wrote:
I really take exception of Kelly being called a "castoff".

I meant castoff in the sense of "Sens player who is frequently mentioned in internet trade proposals"

Who actually has value (unlike Cheechoo).

Almost everyone has Winchester or Smith lined up as cheap replacements for him.

Devo wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

Let's say we had Whitney would you say that we're a Ryan Shannon or Chris Kelly and a Brian Lee and a pick away from a Cup run?

It won't cost you that much to get Whitney. As much as I hate the Mackenzie, I have to say that I'm hearing similar things to what he said on the broadcast last night. It will cost you a minor league player and a 2nd round pick (tops) to get him. We have an extra 2nd round from San Jose, and we also have some minor league players in Lee, Campoli, Picard whom we can't all keep, along with some players in Kelly, Shannon..etc that we might part with.

At this point, I would offer Lee and a 2nd and see if they bite...anything more than Campoli or Picard and a 2nd, or Kelly straight up I wouldn't do.

But then the $ doesn't work. Even with Campoli or Picard. We're really tight against the cap.

And I consider a 2nd + Lee rather substantial, for reasons articulated above.

rooneypoo wrote:

And I consider a 2nd + Lee rather substantial, for reasons articulated above.

If you balance the fact that we have better prospects now than we did even 2 years ago and the loss of playoff revenue in the last 2 seasons, I think you have a team that might be more inclined to part with Lee if they think it gives us a better chance of winning even a round or two.

rooneypoo wrote:
But then the $ doesn't work. Even with Campoli or Picard. We're really tight against the cap.

And I consider a 2nd + Lee rather substantial, for reasons articulated above.

I will always defer to you as from what I've read you are normally on the ball, but Given Whitney's salary is 3.5 million wouldn't we have enough cap room by the time the trade deadline happened, and moving another player (ie campoli) out. I know it would be close, but Acquiring Whitney would allow us to another player down to the farm.

Hell maybe putting Cheechoo on waivers would be enough to have someone take him off our hands..

I personally don't think we have a chance. I know Rutherford and Murray like each other etc, but it'll be a bidding war for Whitney and I don't see who we could give from our roster to acquire The Wizard. Not Kelly, because we've lived through him being crappy and now that we're winning, he's integral. So is Ruutu. So they only guys we can even think about moving are Cheechoo and Shannon. Shannon to me is a perfect third liner who can move up if there are injuries, so I would say no to that. Cheechoo, I doubt anyone would want, so we're stuck I would say.

SpezDispenser wrote:I personally don't think we have a chance. I know Rutherford and Murray like each other etc, but it'll be a bidding war for Whitney and I don't see who we could give from our roster to acquire The Wizard. Not Kelly, because we've lived through him being crappy and now that we're winning, he's integral. So is Ruutu. So they only guys we can even think about moving are Cheechoo and Shannon. Shannon to me is a perfect third liner who can move up if there are injuries, so I would say no to that. Cheechoo, I doubt anyone would want, so we're stuck I would say.

Ruutu has as much to do with Kelly being integral as Kelly does.

Here's the consequences of trading Kelly for The Wizard. You end up with Winchester or Zach Smith as your 4th line Center and you add the option of a 41 pt. left winger to a mix that currently includes Foligno (23 pts.) and Del Shannon (13pts.).

SeawaySensFan wrote:Ruutu has as much to do with Kelly being integral as Kelly does.

Here's the consequences of trading Kelly for The Wizard. You end up with Winchester or Zach Smith as your 4th line Center and you add the option of a 41 pt. left winger to a mix that currently includes Foligno (23 pts.) and Del Shannon (13pts.).

Nervous times. Kelly is paid to kill penalties and provide energy. He's doing that so well right now that his line is often more dangerous than any other line.

You know me, I was on the trade-Kelly bandwagon forever, but he's won me over. I dunno what to do.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Ruutu has as much to do with Kelly being integral as Kelly does.

Here's the consequences of trading Kelly for The Wizard. You end up with Winchester or Zach Smith as your 4th line Center and you add the option of a 41 pt. left winger to a mix that currently includes Foligno (23 pts.) and Del Shannon (13pts.).

Nervous times. Kelly is paid to kill penalties and provide energy. He's doing that so well right now that his line is often more dangerous than any other line.

You know me, I was on the trade-Kelly bandwagon forever, but he's won me over. I dunno what to do.

Do you think it's a coicidence that Smith was killing penalties when he was called up? How do you feel about paying guys to score goals?

Now, more than ever, is the time to trade Kelly.

Here's my take on this.

We hear that OTtawa and Pittsburg are the front runners in the sweeptakes.
Seeing the standings, those 2 teams are likely to meet (again) in the 1st round of the playoffs.

I think it's safe to say that Crosby/Malkin with Whitney on the wing is scary. On the other hand, Fisher with Kovalev and Whitney would be scary for Pittsburg, as our 2nd line.

Now, as much as I like Jesse Winchester, I think he's worth moving because of Zach Smith. But, his salary is ridiculously low that it's not gonna work cap wise.

Now, if we sweeten the pot, do you guys think Carolina is gonna take Cheechoo? I guess this only works if LA wins the Kovalchuk sweeptakes because, let's be honest, if they are in the whitney race, no way we can compete with their assets.

I would trade a 2nd rounder for next year because that draft look awful, then I'd add a Brian Lee and Jonathan Cheechoo.
Helps us cap wise for the summer, gives us a top 6 that could rival Chicago.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Ruutu has as much to do with Kelly being integral as Kelly does.

Here's the consequences of trading Kelly for The Wizard. You end up with Winchester or Zach Smith as your 4th line Center and you add the option of a 41 pt. left winger to a mix that currently includes Foligno (23 pts.) and Del Shannon (13pts.).

Nervous times. Kelly is paid to kill penalties and provide energy. He's doing that so well right now that his line is often more dangerous than any other line.

You know me, I was on the trade-Kelly bandwagon forever, but he's won me over. I dunno what to do.

Do you think it's a coicidence that Smith was killing penalties when he was called up? How do you feel about paying guys to score goals?

Now, more than ever, is the time to trade Kelly.

Wasn't Smith filling in for Winchester? To say that Smith could fill in for Kelly right now would be a mistake, it's not close right now. In the future it will be, round about the time Kelly's contract is expiring, but now? I re-iterate, it's nervous times.

Now, I do agree with you about The Wizardo, I've always liked him a lot and think he's a natural to play with one of the top 3 centers. And your point about trading Kelly while the value's high is NOT lost on me by any stretch.

SpezDispenser wrote:Wasn't Smith filling in for Winchester? To say that Smith could fill in for Kelly right now would be a mistake, it's not close right now. In the future it will be, round about the time Kelly's contract is expiring, but now? I re-iterate, it's nervous times.

Now, I do agree with you about The Wizardo, I've always liked him a lot and think he's a natural to play with one of the top 3 centers. And your point about trading Kelly while the value's high is NOT lost on me by any stretch.

I'm more nervous about an early-round playoff exit than anything else.