Whitney? What are the trade deadline options?

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

That was my thinking, but this recent string of games makes me believe that this team could win a round or two. The revenue would be really nice, as well as getting some former fans back into the SBP.

I'm violently opposed to overpaying for Whitney though. It's practically guaranteed that he's a rental.

I guess the thing to underscore is that all of this things (team chemistry, team development, revenue, getting fans back, etc.) will factor into the decision as to whether or not we become buyers.

No matter what BM does, he will upset some fans. He makes a move, the team chemistry guys and the team development guys will lose their Dung because he's mortgaging the future. He doesn't make a move, and the Sens believers and fans lose their Dung because he isn't doing what it takes to win a cup / win back their love. He can't win.

rooneypoo wrote:I guess the thing to underscore is that all of this things (team chemistry, team development, revenue, getting fans back, etc.) will factor into the decision as to whether or not we become buyers.

No matter what BM does, he will upset some fans. He makes a move, the team chemistry guys and the team development guys will lose their Dung because he's mortgaging the future. He doesn't make a move, and the Sens believers and fans lose their Dung because he isn't doing what it takes to win a cup / win back their love. He can't win.

Sort of like the Heatley saga with less at stake. Perhaps someone will scoop Whitney up before the deadline in a surprise move and Murray has an out. "We just didn't see anyone who we thought could step into our top 6 without giving up one of our prized d prospects."

I really think he'll pull a rabbit out of the hat if he truely believes this team can compete. Someone totally off the Sens radar as of late. I just hope it's not the same sort of deadline blockbuster as Martin Diddling Lapointe.

Lapointe was a depth move. The Wizard would be a bigger addition with a bigger role expected. Kinda like when we got Stillman to "get Fish going".

hemlock wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

That was my thinking, but this recent string of games makes me believe that this team could win a round or two. The revenue would be really nice, as well as getting some former fans back into the SBP.

I'm violently opposed to overpaying for Whitney though. It's practically guaranteed that he's a rental.

We've never ever done well with rentals. Our castoffs like shannon, kelly, lee etc. could net us someone much more useful than Whitney.

Like Mueller perhaps.

If BM is going to be swinging trades, it better be to solidify our core. Let's get some top 6 wingers that we could conceivably keep for the long run if they pan out.

Given how tight we are against the cap, and how well we're playing as a unit (which makes it really hard to subtract players), I'm not sure how BM can do anything other than a Marty Lapointe-esque deal -- which is, in my mind, reason not to do a deal at all.

We'll be bringing Z. Smith up shortly after the deadline, I'm pretty sure, and he's a guy who may very well challenge our Cheechoos and Shannons for ice time in short order. Consider that our deadline acquisition .

Hoags wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

That was my thinking, but this recent string of games makes me believe that this team could win a round or two. The revenue would be really nice, as well as getting some former fans back into the SBP.

I'm violently opposed to overpaying for Whitney though. It's practically guaranteed that he's a rental.

We've never ever done well with rentals. Our castoffs like shannon, kelly, lee etc. could net us someone much more useful than Whitney.

Like Mueller perhaps.

If BM is going to be swinging trades, it better be to solidify our core. Let's get some top 6 wingers that we could conceivably keep for the long run if they pan out.

Who are we going to move though? Guys who you can add to your top 6 long term aren't cheap.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Lapointe was a depth move. The Wizard would be a bigger addition with a bigger role expected. Kinda like when we got Stillman to "get Fish going".

How did that work out again?

hemlock wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Lapointe was a depth move. The Wizard would be a bigger addition with a bigger role expected. Kinda like when we got Stillman to "get Fish going".

How did that work out again?

It's different now. We don't need anyone to get Fish going and we have a coach who isn't afraid to give players different roles if they can't cut it.

hemlock wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Lapointe was a depth move. The Wizard would be a bigger addition with a bigger role expected. Kinda like when we got Stillman to "get Fish going".

How did that work out again?

Stillman was very good for us. That line with Vermette and Foligno, I believe, was far and away our best during that disastrous playoff series.

I would have loved to have kept him, if only we could have gotten him for a more reasonable price than FLA paid him.

Hoags wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

That was my thinking, but this recent string of games makes me believe that this team could win a round or two. The revenue would be really nice, as well as getting some former fans back into the SBP.

I'm violently opposed to overpaying for Whitney though. It's practically guaranteed that he's a rental.

We've never ever done well with rentals. Our castoffs like shannon, kelly, lee etc. could net us someone much more useful than Whitney.

Like Mueller perhaps.

If BM is going to be swinging trades, it better be to solidify our core. Let's get some top 6 wingers that we could conceivably keep for the long run if they pan out.

You mention a guy like Peter Mueller, a guy with a ton of talent, but seemingly has lost his way in PHX. He's definately on the block, how much do you think the Yotes would be looking for in return. Would they be interested in a Brian Lee, another player who seems to need a change of address?

rooneypoo wrote:

hemlock wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Lapointe was a depth move. The Wizard would be a bigger addition with a bigger role expected. Kinda like when we got Stillman to "get Fish going".

How did that work out again?

Stillman was very good for us. That line with Vermette and Foligno, I believe, was far and away our best during that disastrous playoff series.

I would have loved to have kept him, if only we could have gotten him for a more reasonable price than FLA paid him.

Oh I wasn't unhappy with Stillman. I was talking about the get Fisher going part. I would have been happy to keep him. Although, would that mean Kovalev wouldn't be here? As much as I like Stillman, he doesn't touch Kovalev when Kovalev is playing well.

Stillman is a nice player but what about this Wizard character I keep hearing about. Any chance he could help?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SDH89 wrote:I'd love to have the guy, I'm just nervous about getting into a bidding war, the last thing we need is to give up a good pick/prospect for a rental.

With that being said, he would look awesome on our second line, and would fit quite well into one of the PP units.

The $$ is still a problem, it will be tough to make it work.

I guess you need to decide if you want Kelly on your 3rd or 4th line and Picard in the pressbox or The Wizard on your 2nd or 1st line.

Tough call there.

What if we got Rutherford drunk and showed him Cheechoos stats from 5 years ago? Maybe we could go straight up?

SDH89 wrote:

Hoags wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

That was my thinking, but this recent string of games makes me believe that this team could win a round or two. The revenue would be really nice, as well as getting some former fans back into the SBP.

I'm violently opposed to overpaying for Whitney though. It's practically guaranteed that he's a rental.

We've never ever done well with rentals. Our castoffs like shannon, kelly, lee etc. could net us someone much more useful than Whitney.

Like Mueller perhaps.

If BM is going to be swinging trades, it better be to solidify our core. Let's get some top 6 wingers that we could conceivably keep for the long run if they pan out.

You mention a guy like Peter Mueller, a guy with a ton of talent, but seemingly has lost his way in PHX. He's definately on the block, how much do you think the Yotes would be looking for in return. Would they be interested in a Brian Lee, another player who seems to need a change of address?

Mueller is a talent. He had a 51 point rookie season. I just question where we'd fit another centreman. No matter, let's do it anyway! Mueller and Michalek for Lee/whatever it takes.

If we play 0.650 / 0.700 Hockey between now and the trade deadline, it'll change the picture in terms of expectations pretty drastically.

Mueller has gone from 22 goals, to 11 goals, to now 3 goals this year. The talent is obviously there, just something is not working for him currently. Let's take a chance.

hemlock wrote:

SDH89 wrote:

Hoags wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Hoags wrote:I don't think we're a Ray Whitney away from the Cup/deep playoff run.

Nor do I think we should be trading young players for 37 year olds at this stage in the game.

That was my thinking, but this recent string of games makes me believe that this team could win a round or two. The revenue would be really nice, as well as getting some former fans back into the SBP.

I'm violently opposed to overpaying for Whitney though. It's practically guaranteed that he's a rental.

We've never ever done well with rentals. Our castoffs like shannon, kelly, lee etc. could net us someone much more useful than Whitney.

Like Mueller perhaps.

If BM is going to be swinging trades, it better be to solidify our core. Let's get some top 6 wingers that we could conceivably keep for the long run if they pan out.

You mention a guy like Peter Mueller, a guy with a ton of talent, but seemingly has lost his way in PHX. He's definately on the block, how much do you think the Yotes would be looking for in return. Would they be interested in a Brian Lee, another player who seems to need a change of address?

Mueller is a talent. He had a 51 point rookie season. I just question where we'd fit another centreman. No matter, let's do it anyway! Mueller and Michalek for Lee/whatever it takes.

Interesting angle. Make it so.

Mind you, I'm sure many of you have heard that Mueller may not even be interested in pursuing a pro hockey career any longer...