Bingo Sens Talk

I left out what might be the most important of them all - they didn't trade Jim O'Brien when pretty much everyone had given up on him. Now he's playing the way a lot of 'experts' predicted he would when they had him as a top 5 pick in 2007.

SpezDispenser wrote:I left out what might be the most important of them all - they didn't trade Jim O'Brien when pretty much everyone had given up on him. Now he's playing the way a lot of 'experts' predicted he would when they had him as a top 5 pick in 2007.

That is the weakest draft year of this decade, if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: I am mistaken. I don't know which year I'm thinking of.

PKC wrote:
That is the weakest draft year of this decade, if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: I am mistaken. I don't know which year I'm thinking of.

No, you're right, it was a horrible year. Still...the year before when they were pumping O'Brien's tires big time.

Bass Destruction wrote:
I would even dare to say late in the year. I could see them hitting their stride in another 20ish games and become solid secondary scoring for the team in the middle of the season.

They're going to have to move people and cap space I don't think we can call anyone up right now. I wonder if it would be Locke or Butler first.

Butler needs to resigned and I think they should do it before the offseason so I imagine they'd give him some NHL ice time to see where he's at.

Still with the team fighting for a playoff position and winning in general I wonder if they'd risk disrupting the lineup just to give some kids a crack at the NHL.

If they go on another losing skid I could see Murray bringing people up, not to mention if we get some serious injuries in the top 6.

Michallica wrote:

CockRoche wrote:Really? I think you are kidding, but what are your expectations from him? Looking into the future 5 years, what do you see?

Solid #5-6 d-man who's physical and defensively sound and very capable of filling in in the top 4 whenever needed. He's got a cannon of a shot too, so it doesn't hurt if he can hone that skill a little more with his decent outlet pass. Again, alot of ppl may have expected him to be 'ready' this season but that's obviously just jumping the gun. That being said, I wouldn't not hold any expectations (as you do) for him. He's a young guy who's only had an NCAA career (I believe he was captain of Boston U) and was one of the hardest working senators at the rookie camp. sooo why shouldn't I have expectations? This is where u finally respond to me.

EDIT: oh and he can drop the gloves too. At worst, he's a Matt Carkner replacement in the next 3 years (who's much younger and hopefully more agile)

I didn't know I was ignoring you. Not my intention at all.

I said Gryba was a lesser version of Carkner and the only thing he has going for him over Carkner is his age; which you agreed with.

There is a reason he is not getting the games or minutes in Bingo, I wish I knew exactly what it was and not just hearsay. Look at the defence down there; with his experience, leadership qualities and talents, he should be on the #1 pairing and flourishing in all roles. Something is wrong, but the simple answer is he is just not quite ready. There is nothing wrong with that. Defencemen take longer to mature and learn the game in comparison to forwards.

I came at my earlier post from the angle of people thinking he was ready for the NHL because that was almost a consensus when I joined. Gryba is 2-3 years away if at all, he has to prove a lot yet. Can he do it? Yes, but patience.

If you were just asking how he was doing in the AHL, I read it wrong. This is me apologizing for that.

I thought Gryba might be able to slide easily into the pros and be a good 17 minute a night guy, but his transition has been very difficult. People in Bingo are saying that he's now starting to look like the guy we thought he'd be, so it's happening.

Wiercioch will come around as well, but it might take longer because of the players already down there with PM abilities.

THere are about...four people I listen to about Bingo - because they're season ticket holders - and all of them are in awe of how Butler made the jump to the pros so seamlessly, they say it's his speed and his awareness of the play. He's been compared favourably to Shawn McEachern.

Same with Hoffman, he sees the play well, but is a step behind in finishing. They seem to think he's literally weeks away from producing.

Wiercioch is the most enigmatic of them all, it could be 3 years+ before he's ready - and he didn't seem like the most patient of players when interviewed here in Ottawa - from what I took out of it anyway.

PS - I've become a pretty big fan of the B-Sens now. So if anyone wants to chat about them, we'll keep this thread running.

SpezDispenser wrote:I thought Gryba might be able to slide easily into the pros and be a good 17 minute a night guy, but his transition has been very difficult. People in Bingo are saying that he's now starting to look like the guy we thought he'd be, so it's happening.

Wiercioch will come around as well, but it might take longer because of the players already down there with PM abilities.

THere are about...four people I listen to about Bingo - because they're season ticket holders - and all of them are in awe of how Butler made the jump to the pros so seamlessly, they say it's his speed and his awareness of the play. He's been compared favourably to Shawn McEachern.

Same with Hoffman, he sees the play well, but is a step behind in finishing. They seem to think he's literally weeks away from producing.

Wiercioch is the most enigmatic of them all, it could be 3 years+ before he's ready - and he didn't seem like the most patient of players when interviewed here in Ottawa - from what I took out of it anyway.

I know you caught this, but did you see the theme there? I have mentioned it before, it is all about the speed. If the forward has it, they can get hang with the pros. Much harder for defenceman to adjust if they don't have the quickness and even harder for goalies to adapt to it all.

This Bingo Sens Talk thread has given me a hankering for some Bingo Sens Talk.

CockRoche wrote:
I know you caught this, but did you see the theme there? I have mentioned it before, it is all about the speed. If the forward has it, they can get hang with the pros. Much harder for defenceman to adjust if they don't have the quickness and even harder for goalies to adapt to it all.

For sure, you can't teach speed, but Wiercioch has a wonderful skating stride. I'd say close to Karlsson's even - and yet he can't seem to figure it out right now. He's the classic, big, fast, aggressive (offensively) player that I thought for sure would have killed it right from puck drop in the AHL.

As for Gryba, I'm not sure it was the foot speed as opposed to him being overly cautious as to not lay out a big hit and get out of position. It's more tentativeness that's causing him to be a step behind, whereas last year he came into Bingo and laid out about six guys in a row. I remember his attitude being much more aggressive in the pre-season, so I was surprised to hear of this new-found cautiousness.

SpezDispenser wrote:

CockRoche wrote:
I know you caught this, but did you see the theme there? I have mentioned it before, it is all about the speed. If the forward has it, they can get hang with the pros. Much harder for defenceman to adjust if they don't have the quickness and even harder for goalies to adapt to it all.

For sure, you can't teach speed, but Wiercioch has a wonderful skating stride. I'd say close to Karlsson's even - and yet he can't seem to figure it out right now. He's the classic, big, fast, aggressive (offensively) player that I thought for sure would have killed it right from puck drop in the AHL.

As for Gryba, I'm not sure it was the foot speed as opposed to him being overly cautious as to not lay out a big hit and get out of position. It's more tentativeness that's causing him to be a step behind, whereas last year he came into Bingo and laid out about six guys in a row. I remember his attitude being much more aggressive in the pre-season, so I was surprised to hear of this new-found cautiousness.

Wiercioch has more to deal with though. North America, NA ice, bigger guys, scheduling. He has a lot on his plate right now.

Not to worried about him.

CockRoche wrote:
Wiercioch has more to deal with though. North America, NA ice, bigger guys, scheduling. He has a lot on his plate right now.

Not to worried about him.

Wiercioch came from the Denver Pioneers program in the NCAA. Do you mean Wick, because Gryba and Wiercioch are coming from the same league.

SpezDispenser wrote:

CockRoche wrote:
Wiercioch has more to deal with though. North America, NA ice, bigger guys, scheduling. He has a lot on his plate right now.

Not to worried about him.

Wiercioch came from the Denver Pioneers program in the NCAA. Do you mean Wick, because Gryba and Wiercioch are coming from the same league.

How the heck did that happen? I'm a mess.

The funny thing is, I was just about to post that I am spending entirely way too much time on this site lately. I used to have a life. Haha.

Ha, it's an intriguing time to be a Sens fan though. For the first time in many moons we have real prospects that are trying to poke their heads through. Next year and more realistically the year after and the year after are going to be very interesting.

As PKC noted (I think), Silfverberg (our top F prospect with Butler), Rundblad (best of the SEL) and Cowen aren't even in Bingo yet. And Petersson, but I'm timid about him translating his game to the pros.

Is it true that weircioch is too cocky for his own good (or his teammates')?

SpezDispenser wrote:Ha, it's an intriguing time to be a Sens fan though. For the first time in many moons we have real prospects that are trying to poke their heads through. Next year and more realistically the year after and the year after are going to be very interesting.

As PKC noted (I think), Silfverberg (our top F prospect with Butler), Rundblad (best of the SEL) and Cowen aren't even in Bingo yet. And Petersson, but I'm timid about him translating his game to the pros.

you think? i don't see him as more then a 3rd liner. petersson could be but i agree we'll see if he can make it at this level.

The Sens need some potential first line prospects and I hope it's addressed at the next couple of drafts because were sitting quite pretty on D and in goal but we're lacking the top end forward talent.

CockRoche wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

CockRoche wrote:
Wiercioch has more to deal with though. North America, NA ice, bigger guys, scheduling. He has a lot on his plate right now.

Not to worried about him.

Wiercioch came from the Denver Pioneers program in the NCAA. Do you mean Wick, because Gryba and Wiercioch are coming from the same league.

How the heck did that happen? I'm a mess.

The funny thing is, I was just about to post that I am spending entirely way too much time on this site lately. I used to have a life. Haha.

Wickercioch? Wierck?